Miscellaneous (General)

by David Turell , Wednesday, December 11, 2024, 20:13 (10 days ago) @ dhw

Cellular intelligence: renal cell memory

DAVID: You have simply concluded with my point. Death is expected to happen. Expectedly the instructions will not be adequate.

dhw: A wonderful tribute to your God’s efficiency! We ought to know that when your omnipotent, omniscient God issues instructions, they may fail. But you won’t consider the possibility that the fault may lie in the cells themselves.

No. cell death is coded in when necessary and predators may overcome cell defenses that are present .

LUCA

DAVID: You still skip over what evolution produced: us a huge numbers and all the living resources on Earth for our use. Yes God culled, as a normal part of any evolution, but what is here is all necessary to be here for us.

DAVID: Culling is part of any form of evolution producing useful results. It is time you accepted that point. Nothing is/was irrelevant.

dhw: Something is only irrelevant if it has no connection with a particular subject/purpose. In your case, the subject/purpose is us and our food, and 99 out of 100 species did not lead to us and our food. Extinctions and subsequent new species that can cope with the new conditions are the only form of evolution that we know. Your Raup says it all hinges on luck. You say it all hinges on the messy inefficiency of your God. I offer alternatives which you refuse to consider.

Then result of God's evolution is a huge human population with full resources on Earth from His evolutionary process with culling!!!! It is no matter 99.9% were culled to achieve this great result, us and our food.

ID view of natural selection

QUOTE: Whenever materialism cannot come up with any empirically verifiable explanation, it invokes natural selection.

DAVID: natural selection is a worthless tautology.

dhw: Talk about flogghg a dead horse. In the first edition of my brief guide (2007), I pointed out that “Dawkins blithely announces that natural selection ‘explains the whole of life’”, and throughout the history of this website one thing you and I have always agreed on is that natural selection never created anything. It’s simply a useful expression to explain why some species survive and some don’t – according to their ability to cope with existing conditions. It’s not a tautology (which means saying the same thing twice) but perhaos you might call it a truism: those who survive are those who are best equipped to survive. But for me the basic flaws in Darwin’s theory are his reliance on the creativity of random mutations, and his insistence that nature never jumps. The basic truth of the theory (in my opinion) is that of common descent, and it would have been fascinating to know what he might have thought of Shapiro’s theory, which replaces random mutations with cellular intelligence.

Darwin would be amazed at our current knowledge and probably join ID.