Miscellaneous (General)

by David Turell , Sunday, December 08, 2024, 19:54 (13 days ago) @ dhw

Cellular intelligence: renal cell memory

DAVID: Do you imagine a life with no deaths? Insane. Death is a built in part of life.

dhw: I am not questioning the reality of life! I am questioning your interpretation of cellular behaviour! If an omniscient, omnipotent God issued instructions for survival, how come his instructions so often fail? Did he also issue instructions for death? Or is it possible that he gave cells autonomy, and sometimes they succeed in coping with new threats but sometimes they don’t?

You don't understand what I wrote. Cell apoptosis is built into life. When a cell is no longer useful, it is killed. All lives have an end point.

Fighting off asteroid hits

DAVID: I'm on my own journey with God, not asking for help beyond what Adler has published to guide me. The biochemistry of life requires a 'sourceless' mind.

dhw: I am not disputing the latter as evidence of design. The dispute is over your God’s purposes, methods and nature, and you have made it plain on the “evolution” thread that you have fixed wishes and beliefs, and although you acknowledge that they are”schizophrenic”, part of your schizophrenia is to claim that you never contradict yourself.

God's purposes and method are quite clear to produce us. It is His nature where there must be great debates.

LUCA

QUOTES: The result is a picture of a cellular organism that was prokaryote grade rather than progenotic and that probably existed as a component of an ecosystem,”

"This basically means it’s more complex than they thought".

"this study means that either life can form much easier and faster than we thought, or it was seeded by some sample from outer space.

DAVID: {...] My view is that life appeared as engineered by God, just like the Cambrian animals did later on. It only took half a billion years to appear once the earliest Earth had formed.

dhw: As before, the complexity provides good grounds for your belief in a God who did the original engineering. Your belief in his “de novo” engineering of our Cambrian ancestors has led you to one of many contradictions in your refusal to accept that this makes all pre-Cambrian species irrelevant to the single purpose you impose on your God (in those times when your God has a reason for creating life). And our disagreements concern what happened AFTER life appeared.

Your refusal to look at the biochemistry of life as a continuum from its beginning is wrong. You look at phenotypical evolution at the simplistic Darwin level. form is not function. Once life is formed, it can have any shape God desires. Thus the Cambrian appears with no form predecessors but with all the necessary life mechanisms in place. The literature is filled with de novo gaps like the Cambrian but of smaller degree.