More "miscellany" (General)

by David Turell @, Wednesday, November 03, 2021, 15:35 (207 days ago) @ dhw

Cosmologic philosophy: dhw said once universe too big

DAVID: I have replaced goal with endpoint which is a more accurate way of viewing our appearance.

dhw: Since we are the last species to appear so far, the term is far less problematical than "goal", because it is not necessarily synonymous with purpose. So let’s make it nice and clear, shall we? You wish to drop the term "goal". Are you now saying that you no longer believe that humans plus food were your God’s one and only goal, and you no longer believe that every single life form and food which had no connection with humans was “part of the goal of evolving [= designing] humans” plus food? This will at last rid us of the mantra which has caused so much repetitive discussion.

David: The red part which you wish me to discard will not be discarded. I've changed the word goal to endpoint of God's evolution, and remain with my initial interpretation of God's actions. We are here only because God wanted us here, and He chose, for His own reasons, to evolve us from bacteria. All clearly and logically demonstrated from the history God created.

dhw: But what is not clearly and logically demonstrated from life’s history is why, if your God’s one and only goal was to design us and our food, he specially designed all the extinct life forms and foods that had no connection with us and our food! As you will certainly go on ignoring this question (because you have no idea how to answer it), let me just ask you why you wish to change “goal” to “endpoint”.

Because my answer to your constant illogical question is God chose to evolve us from bacteria for His own reasons, unknown to us, and 'endpoint' fits that thought better than goal. 'Goal' implies achieving something over time as if it might be difficult to achieve. God's endpoint implies He knew how to get there all along, but chose stepwise for His own reasons.

Termite queens
DAVID: All part of necessary ecosystems.

dhw: Wonderful wonder! I love these posts. Thank you. Pity about your comment. Every life form that ever lived was part of an ecosystem. And ecosystems are changing all the time, as environments change. If ants were wiped out, there would be a different ecosystem. So what exactly have all the ecosystems been necessary for, other than enabling all the different forms of life to survive until they become extinct? Could you be hinting at some sort of “goal”, in the achievement of which every life form and econiche extant and extinct played a part, including those that had no connection with humans? Perish the thought!

I hope you don't go hungry if the necessary ecosystems vanish.

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