Brain expansion: different theories about rapid expansion (Evolution)

by dhw, Thursday, September 03, 2020, 11:04 (252 days ago) @ David Turell

DAVID: Your 'if he designed' doesn't tell us what God could foresee in humans' future activities. Did He see chess or tennis coming? I'm not sure.

dhw:You wrote that your God’s expansion meant he anticipated “how that enlargement will be used”. When I said this could only mean he knew we would invent cricket and the piano, you replied: “The phrase in no way meant God knew the specifics of what we would invent.” Now you are not sure!

DAVID: You over interpret everything I write. I am sure He anticipated various uses, but I'm certainly not sure about which specific activities He might have anticipated.

Now what are you saying? He may have anticipated cricket but not anticipated the piano? When you wrote the “in no way” reply above, I asked what he did anticipate, and you replied: “That we would dominate the world”. Nothing to do with “specific activities”. You change your theories from one day to the next, and then tell me I distort or overinterpret your statements!

DaVID: God's complexification brain program responds to our uses and needs without Him stepping in.

dhw: Thank you for once again confirming that the brain did learn how to adapt itself on its own, without any intervention from your God.

DAVID: His complexification system is so thorough the brain can handle its changes without Him. But the results is all because of God's design!!

I’m delighted at your continued confirmation that the mechanism for the brain’s ability to adapt by REACTING toany and all physical and mental and emotional demands we place on it” is autonomous, as opposed to your earlier statement that[/b] “There is no evidence for your theory that the brain learned how to adapt itself on its own.” I have always conceded that the mechanism may have been designed by your God. We are making progress.

DAVID: Once again you have our brain inexplicably expanding. Areas in our brain make tiny enlargements for specialized tasks, nothing more. No evidence for your theory.

dhw: I have provided a theoretical explanation for the unexplained expansion, and the fact that our brain – which no longer expands – still makes small enlargements may be regarded as evidence that the brain is capable of making enlargements. And the evidence for your divine dabble is….?

DAVID: The obvious need for a designer.

I don’t have a problem with your argument that the mechanism must have been designed, and now that you have confirmed that this mechanism for the brain’s adaptability is autonomous, I doubt if even you would believe that the same mechanism could not have existed in pre-sapiens brains.
DAVID: Your comment precisely ignores a tenet of evolutionary theory that present organs are built upon the attributes of past designs. What our brain does is an example to what past brains did, perhaps without the shrinkage.

dhw: Thank you for this very clear support for my theory. Our brain, as you have told us, “has the adaptability to react to any and all physical and mental and emotional demands we place on it.” It even adds a few cells when necessary. (Shrinkage results from the enhanced efficiency of complexification, and would not have occurred if the requirement was for new cells.) According to my theory, present organisms are built upon the attributes of past designs. There is no sudden leap – as if your God had performed an operation to introduce new brains, skulls and pelvises. [David's bold] Our brain does what past brains did, and so past brains would also have complexified and expanded as a REACTION to new requirements, as summarized so perfectly by yourself in the bold above.

DAVID: Glossing over the multiple problems of new baby skull size, pelvis birth canal size, and Dad's contribution genetically doesn't solve or answer in any way your skull/brain growth theory. The sentence after the bold ignores all of it!! All we have as evidence is 200 cc jumps in brain size and better artifacts with the human fossils. I have my designer as the best answer I can think of.

We have dealt with this before! You insist that all the changes must have happened simultaneously, whereas I propose that the skull would have responded to the expansion of the brain, and the pelvis would have responded to the expansion of the skull. All cell communities have the same ability as the brain to adapt by reacting to new requirements, but this does not happen overnight! Firstly, we can’t expect a complete, inch-by-inch fossil record of all changes to brain, skull and pelvis. Secondly, there may have been countless deaths in childbirth before the cell communities could adjust themselves to the new size. Even today, childbirth is an extraordinarily painful procedure. Thirdly, Dad’s contribution would not have suddenly changed from one generation to the next! And fourthly, your “designer” is not the subject under discussion. For the sake of argument, I am accepting his existence, and we are discussing the likeliest explanation for the brain’s expansion. His invention of a mechanism enabling intelligent cell communities to cooperate in adapting organs and organisms to meet new requirements would provide an explanation for brain, skull and pelvis expansion as well as for every innovation, adaptation, econiche, lifestyle, strategy, natural wonder etc. in the history of life.

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