Cambrian Explosion: another complex organism (Introduction)

by dhw, Tuesday, September 17, 2019, 10:11 (1681 days ago) @ David Turell

DAVID: No one knows the true reasons for God's choices. Once again believers know we can see His works, and therefore history tells us what He did, not why.

dhw: Precisely. According to you, Adler only uses us as a means to prove God’s existence. So who supports your theory that your God specially designed every life form etc. to cover the time he had decided to take before beginning to design the only thing he wanted to design?

DAVID: ID thinks He designed everything. I agree.

But please tell us which ID-ers support the view that God designed every life form etc. in order to fill in the time he had decided to wait before beginning to design the only thing he wanted to design: H. sapiens.

DAVID: And have you forgotten that the universe started 13.78 billion years ago? That is when God started on His quest to create humans. Why haven't you complained about that point considering your 'impatient' view of God?

dhw: You state your quest-for-humans theory as if it were fact! I might as well ask if you’ve forgotten that 13.78 billion years ago God started on his quest to create a vast variety of life forms, and his method was to design an inventive mechanism that would do its own designing, though he could always dabble if he wished to.

DAVID: God used evolution from the start of the universe and during the interim until we appeared about 325,000 years ago. I assume and believe those were God's works.

A personally reasonable assumption/belief for any believer. As always, you leave out the bit that doesn’t make sense, as summarized umpteen times, including in this post (above and below) and also under “Natural Wonders and Evolution”.

dhw: Let us remind ourselves that for you, “evolve” means specially design, and still you refuse to answer why it is more “humanizing” or “quasi-humanizing” and less logical to propose a God who gives free rein to evolution than to propose a fully-in-charge God who specially designs different stages of whale (times a few million other examples) in order to cover the time till he specially designs umpteen hominins and homos before specially designing the only thing he wants to design, which is H. sapiens.

DAVID: As above, I have stated our Gods differ. Mine is totally in charge and always knows what He wants to accomplish/produce. Yours is a humanized mamby/pamby laid back caricature of God.

And still you refuse to say why a hidden (your word) God who designs an autonomous inventive mechanism, and watches with interest (as you have suggested in the past) what that mechanism produces, is more human – let alone namby pamby – than a God who has one purpose and decides not to fulfil it for 3.X billion years, and therefore “has to” (your words) design millions of life forms etc. etc. to “cover the time” (your words) he has decided to take, though you “have no idea” (your words) why he would choose this method of fulfilling this purpose.