Biochemistry of cell communication; message molecules (Introduction)

by David Turell , Friday, February 23, 2018, 22:22 (2247 days ago) @ dhw

dhw: Exactly the same argument. If you believe in common descent, those mutations did happen (though as I pointed out before, not one at a time). You say your God preprogrammed or dabbled them. I propose that cellular intelligence organized them. Your author doesn’t seem to realize that he is NOT arguing against mutations but against chance. If, however, he rejects common descent, the alternative is the individual creation of every single species and variation from scratch, and I wonder what you and “the science”* say about that.

DAVID: He and I have the same theory, which I am sure you recognize, and it not scientific. God speciates. And 'cellular intelligence' appeared from what? Again God supplies the answer, because intelligence is obviously required.

dhw: I have merely tried to point out the flaws in the article you quoted. You claim to believe in common descent, and so you should also reject everything he says about mutations. I already know you believe mutations (and speciation) are programmed or dabbled, and you already know that my hypothesis of cellular intelligence as the organizer of the mutations allows for God as the designer. And since the author sneers at the unscientific nature of belief in chance, why don't you criticize his failure to acknowledge the unscientific nature of his own theory (which of course you do recognize)? Let's have some balance here!

But his point is God speciates, to which he and I both agree. Of course he argues against chance. So do I. He does not accept common descent. I think God used evolution as a God-controlled process, so on this one point he and I do not see eye to eye. Many of the ID folks side with him, I think mainly on theological grounds. They are primarily of Christian background. I'm not. Perhaps the reason why we differ.