Ruminations on multiverses; if they are evil (Introduction)

by David Turell , Saturday, March 18, 2017, 13:32 (2594 days ago) @ dhw

dhw: We are making progress.[/i]

DAVID: Not much progress. If God is all alone, to whom does He relate to have all the emotional feelings you ascribe to Him? He might have created humans so that we could relate to him so He could observe our feelings and find out what emotions are like. That could be it. He's lonely and needed us to relate to!

Thank you for a brilliant answer. We are making huge progress! Let us substitute your humanized “lonely” for my humanized “bored”, if that is what you prefer. It gives us a very logical reason for his creating life. And indeed one can well imagine him designing all sorts of creatures, or creating a mechanism which would do its own designing, so that he could find some diversion to relieve the burden of his loneliness. He might possibly have wanted to create a mind like his own, and experimented. Or he might possibly have had the idea of designing a mind like his own during the course of his experiments. (I link experimentation to dabbling.) Or he might have been delighted to find that the mechanism he had designed to do its own designing actually came up with a mind like his own without him dabbling. All of these hypotheses fit in perfectly, not only with the history of life on Earth but also with the hypothesis that God may have been lonely and required some relief from his loneliness. Wouldn’t you say they are just as likely as your God saying to himself at the very beginning: “I’ll relieve my loneliness by creating humans that I can relate to, but first I shall have to design the weaverbird’s nest, the monarch’s lifestyle, the fly’s compound eye because…” either for the next 3.X billion years he is incapable of getting what he wants, or he just wants to do it that way for reasons you and I can’t even guess at, because such a decision makes no sense to either of us?

I'm glad you like my thoughts about loneliness. It does offer a different approach about God's possible personality. If He is all-knowing, then this discussion is a n on-starter. He knows all about emotions and relationships without experiencing them. But since I try not to use Biblical impressions of God, He may have to experience relating to us, His creations.

However, you finished your reasonable paragraph with a note about life's diversity and the length of time for evolution of humans with total misunderstanding, as usual.
We do not know if God is limited in any way in explaining the length of time for human evolution. If He is control of the rate of evolution, as I believe, then the rapid appearance of life earlier on Earth and the sudden appearance of the Cambrian Explosion, tells us He can move quickly when He wants to. Look at how quickly human development occurred in the past eight million years. As for the diversity, it is balance of nature/energy supply, nothing more. As for making no sense, I like my sensible answers to the questions.