Sheldrake's Morphogenic Field - Innovation (Evolution)

by dhw, Thursday, September 29, 2016, 12:44 (908 days ago) @ David Turell

DAVID: Of course you are neatly skipping the origin of life, a problem which requires a solution and must be included in a total package of explanation. God does that.

dhw: I have skipped nothing. You have skipped the point I explained earlier in my post. The alternative to your first cause conscious energy is first cause energy and matter, which just like your God could produce “an infinite number of universes, thereby increasing the chances of one of them eventually producing life, and life producing consciousness. The second scenario does not need God. I find neither scenario convincing, and so I remain agnostic.”

DAVID: You are using the false multiverse premise that somehow life can appear if enough universes are trying to do it. Like monkeys typing Shakespeare.

Why false? You raised the possibility of other universes yourself:
David (Monday 26 September at 14.56): Try this: God has always existed and has made other universes before this one, never bored.
My premise is the same as yours, but I point out that eternity can = an infinite number of universes, whether God-made or not. And infinity allows for anything. But you have ignored the fact that I cannot accept either scenario, so there is no point in your telling me why I should not accept this one.

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