A Panpsychist Hypothesis (General)

by David Turell , Friday, June 20, 2014, 02:46 (3808 days ago) @ dhw

dhw: But any version of first cause energy is counterintuitive: 1) intelligence and information magically all present and correct without a beginning; 2) a total blank that by chance hits on a winning formula; 3) energy as a single entity of potential intelligence that magically becomes aware of itself and can experiment and learn to create universes and life; 4) energy as potential intelligence that forms particles of matter which magically become aware of themselves so that they cooperate to form universes and life. You could argue that all of these counterintuitive hypotheses belong to "the quantum level of reality", which nobody understands. One brick wall is as impenetrable as another.-I am sorry you are having problems with my first cause. I have my concept which is, restated, God had enough intelligence and information to make a universe and get life started. He used evolutionary processes for both. I don't know why He did. Anything else is guess work. 
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> dhw: My point was that the possibility of experimentation in the one field denotes incomplete information, and that enhances the possibility of incomplete information in every field, from the creation of matter onwards. -That is your guess. Maybe He just tweaked when He felt like it, maybe only to speed a process that would have gotten to US HUMANS eventually. Actually He has all the time in the world to accomplish anything.
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> dhw: I'm quite happy with "may", though I'd extend it to before the start of this universe and of life. My point is that if, at any time, first cause energy may have needed experience to fulfil its potential intelligence, it may have been nothing but potential intelligence right up until it began to experience awareness in zillions of separate particles of matter.-Never potential intelligence. "Which came first chicken or egg" type of argument. Pure energy invented its own intelligence? Illogical. -> dhw: I'm not seeking to replace one illogical hypothesis with another. ....I say about the origin of the universe and life, it's all guesswork. That's why some of us find it so difficult to climb off the agnostic fence!-You are on the fence because you don't like my logic. So you find other explanations which are totally illogical.