Light and Matter: another view (Origins)

by dhw, Sunday, June 01, 2014, 11:13 (3617 days ago) @ David Turell

DAVID: 
Max Planck:
 
"As a man who has devoted his whole life to the most clear headed science, to the study of matter, I can tell you as a result of my research about atoms this much: There is no matter as such. All matter originates and exists only by virtue of a force which brings the particle of an atom to vibration and holds this most minute solar system of the atom together. We must assume behind this force the existence of a conscious and intelligent mind. This mind is the matrix of all matter. ... Das Wesen der Materie [The Nature of Matter], speech at Florence, Italy (1944) (from Archiv zur Geschichte der Max-Planck-Gesellschaft, Abt. Va, Rep. 11 Planck, Nr. 1797)"-I take the point about matter originating by virtue of a force. As for the rest:-Stephen Hawking:-"When people ask me if a god created the universe, I tell them that the question itself makes no sense. Time didn't exist before the big bang, so there is no time for god to make the universe in. It's like asking directions to the edge of the earth; The Earth is a sphere; it doesn't have an edge; so looking for it is a futile exercise. We are each free to believe what we want, and it's my view that the simplest explanation is; there is no god. No one created our universe, and no one directs our fate. This leads me to a profound realization; There is probably no heaven, and no afterlife either. We have this one life to appreciate the grand design of the universe, and for that I am extremely grateful." -Stephen Hawking There is no God. There is no Fate. - YouTube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7L7VTdzuY7Y-So what does that prove? We can chuck pro-God, anti-God quotes at each other all day long. However, please note, Hawking agrees with you that time didn't exist before the big bang, which for him knocks God out of the equation. I keep telling you that if you want your God, you must have a "before", and a "before" can't exist without time. But you don't take any notice of me. I might as well be talking to a Planck.