Light and Matter (Origins)

by dhw, Thursday, May 22, 2014, 10:52 (3621 days ago) @ David Turell

DAVID: Basically everything is energy. Matter is a form of energy. Energy is really all there is. After the Big Bang (it was thought to be cool) and inflation starting during the first 10^-43 seconds and instantaneously expanding, then it heated to enormous temperatures and caused a "plasma" of just energy, no particles. At 300+ K years it cooled enough for particles of energy to appear. They then formed the early lightest elements. The first gases were hydrogen, helium and a little lithium as the original elements. Gradually the stars, as furnaces, produced the heavier elements, which could then form molecules, and matter beyond just burning stars could appear and eventually create what we have as a universe. Yes, interchangeable, and just forms of the same thing. E=mc^2 says it all.-Thank you again, but I would like to take this back to our original agreement that the first cause is energy. According to you, first cause energy (your Universal Intelligence known as God) consciously created the only matter that is known to us, which is our universe. But if energy and matter are interchangeable, how can one claim that God is energy ... not matter ... which created matter? And since the only intelligence we know is that which appears to "emerge" from matter, why claim that there is a different form of immaterial intelligence that consists solely of energy, even though matter and energy are interchangeable? And my final question for today: if energy and matter are interchangeable, is your statement "energy is really all there is" any more valid than the statement "matter is really all there is"?-I'd like to discuss the implications for both theistic and atheistic forms of panpsychism here, but I need to take this argument one step at a time, so that you or anyone else can point out any flaws as I go along.