Light and Matter (Origins)
dhw: I'd like to combine this thread now with the one on "Cosmology: time begins". > > DAVID: I had forgotten the proposed experiment hadn't been done as yet. > > dhw: However, like the experimenters, you are confident it will succeed: "But from the description it will work just fine." The experiment is meant to prove that "pure" light/energy can produce matter. If it hasn't yet been proven, doesn't there have to be a doubt over the whole idea of the universe springing from "pure" energy?-Not at all. That is the current theory. See GK and me. > > DAVID: And I think dhw is confused by what I have described. > > dhw:I am indeed, and if demarcations are not clear to you, then I'm surprised that you yourself are not confused by the concepts of "pure" energy and interchangeability between energy and matter.-Because it is a matter of understanding the development in the history of the universe.- > > DAVID: My problem, as I see it, is, I have been reading lay interpretations of the story of the universe and it has changed. > > dhw: But both descriptions of the beginning of the universe describe all matter as being quantum particles, therefore, simply a more solid form of energy[/i]."-Per Penrose: energy=s quantum particles > > dhw: For this layman, every aspect of the story is one of complete confusion, and yet it gives rise to authoritative statements concerning the beginning of time, "pure" energy giving rise to all the materials of the universe, the interchangeability of energy and matter...-The accepted theory of the start of the universe provides for energy in stages becoming matter. Before the start, no one knows what existed, but they theorize. The atheists pick virtual quantum vacuum; I pick God. > > dhw: Here are some theories to be taken with the utmost seriousness: ... Any alternatives? Do any of them sound more likely than the others?-There had to be energy.
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dhw,
2014-05-19, 13:07
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David Turell,
2014-05-19, 15:53
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dhw,
2014-05-20, 16:26
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David Turell,
2014-05-21, 05:46
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dhw,
2014-05-22, 10:52
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David Turell,
2014-05-22, 20:08
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dhw,
2014-05-23, 16:40
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David Turell,
2014-05-23, 19:03
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dhw,
2014-05-24, 20:32
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David Turell,
2014-05-24, 23:51
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dhw,
2014-05-25, 15:01
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David Turell,
2014-05-25, 16:06
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dhw,
2014-05-26, 20:25
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David Turell,
2014-05-26, 20:33
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dhw,
2014-05-27, 18:49
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David Turell,
2014-05-27, 21:55
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GateKeeper,
2014-05-28, 00:33
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David Turell,
2014-05-28, 01:42
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GateKeeper,
2014-05-28, 12:35
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David Turell,
2014-05-28, 15:03
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GateKeeper,
2014-05-28, 18:55
- Light and Matter - David Turell, 2014-05-28, 21:38
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GateKeeper,
2014-05-28, 18:55
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BBella,
2014-05-29, 00:58
- Light and Matter - David Turell, 2014-05-29, 06:38
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dhw,
2014-05-29, 17:41
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David Turell,
2014-05-29, 20:19
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David Turell,
2014-05-29, 20:26
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David Turell,
2014-05-30, 15:18
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dhw,
2014-06-01, 11:13
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David Turell,
2014-06-01, 16:22
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dhw,
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David Turell,
2014-06-02, 14:54
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David Turell,
2014-06-02, 14:54
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dhw,
2014-06-02, 12:57
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BBella,
2014-06-01, 18:06
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GateKeeper,
2014-06-01, 18:47
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dhw,
2014-06-02, 13:01
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GateKeeper,
2014-06-02, 15:15
- Light and Matter: another view - dhw, 2014-06-04, 11:40
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GateKeeper,
2014-06-02, 15:15
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dhw,
2014-06-02, 13:01
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David Turell,
2014-06-01, 16:22
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David Turell,
2014-05-30, 15:18
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GateKeeper,
2014-05-29, 22:05
- Light and Matter - David Turell, 2014-05-30, 00:52
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David Turell,
2014-05-29, 20:26
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David Turell,
2014-05-28, 15:03
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dhw,
2014-05-28, 17:22
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GateKeeper,
2014-05-28, 12:35
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David Turell,
2014-05-28, 01:42
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GateKeeper,
2014-05-28, 00:33
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David Turell,
2014-05-27, 21:55
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dhw,
2014-05-27, 18:49
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David Turell,
2014-05-26, 20:33
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dhw,
2014-05-26, 20:25
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David Turell,
2014-05-25, 16:06
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dhw,
2014-05-25, 15:01
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David Turell,
2014-05-24, 23:51
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dhw,
2014-05-24, 20:32
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David Turell,
2014-05-23, 19:03
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dhw,
2014-05-23, 16:40
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David Turell,
2014-05-22, 20:08
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dhw,
2014-05-22, 10:52
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David Turell,
2014-05-21, 05:46
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dhw,
2014-05-20, 16:26
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GateKeeper,
2014-05-29, 12:29
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GateKeeper,
2014-05-30, 17:44
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dhw,
2014-05-30, 20:34
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GateKeeper,
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dhw,
2014-05-31, 12:48
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GateKeeper,
2014-05-31, 13:33
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dhw,
2014-06-01, 11:29
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dhw,
2014-06-01, 11:29
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GateKeeper,
2014-05-31, 13:33
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dhw,
2014-05-31, 12:48
- Light and Matter -
David Turell,
2014-05-31, 00:04
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GateKeeper,
2014-05-31, 01:57
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David Turell,
2014-05-31, 03:00
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David Turell,
2014-05-31, 03:04
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GateKeeper,
2014-05-31, 04:28
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David Turell,
2014-05-31, 06:24
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David Turell,
2014-05-31, 06:24
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GateKeeper,
2014-05-31, 04:28
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David Turell,
2014-05-31, 03:04
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David Turell,
2014-05-31, 03:00
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GateKeeper,
2014-05-31, 01:57
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GateKeeper,
2014-05-30, 22:43
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dhw,
2014-05-30, 20:34
- Light and Matter -
GateKeeper,
2014-05-30, 17:44
- Light and Matter -
David Turell,
2014-05-19, 15:53