Language and Logic (General)

by romansh , Friday, April 04, 2014, 17:17 (3884 days ago) @ Balance_Maintained
edited by unknown, Friday, April 04, 2014, 18:00

Romansh:(POINT1!) As you point out below ... that is exactly what I was trying to say.
>> dhw you are actually arguing they are (causal meaning) and they are not (moral meaning). 
Exactly what I meant.-> Romansh:(POINT2!) Yes I agree the usual meaning the sun and people being morally responsible is a nonsense.
I think it is a nonsense to hold the sun as morally accountable, and if free will is false people too. But even if free will is true it is a nonsense to hold both the sun and people as morally accountable.-I fail to see the illogic here, and how it is somehow inconsistent with Point 1.-> Romansh:(Point3!) I don't think I have been ambiguous. (Then why does everyone else think you were?)
That people have not understood what I have been trying to say does not necessarily mean I have somehow have been ambiguous. Though to be fair it does not rule out that possibility that I have been ambiguous. There are other possibilities of course.-> Romansh:(POINT4!) Again I never claimed it was valid in the other sense and nor do I think that.
It is consistent with my arguments above.->> Tony: Read back through your own comments here, in this on singular post, you contradict yourself, arguing first one way and then another.
I have done and I don't see any contradiction.
>> Tony: You tried to equate two separate meanings of the same word to fit your ideology. You were not clear in your intent. You made not effort to clarify your position until after you were confronted with the ambiguity. -No, I did not. I accept you think that. I find it strange that an educated person such as yourself cannot see the difference between what you experience and what I experience. I am not denying what you experience, I am simply saying it does not match my experience.-And as to conflation ... every time I used the word responsible I carefully stated the context. So how is that conflating the two meanings? I don't particularly believe in a philosophical moral responsibility, so why would I think that a causal responsibility is the same as a moral one? I don't understand.--If I have suggested that you have had any other intentionalities of the negative kind, my apologies. They were unintentional.