God and Reality (The nature of a \'Creator\')

by David Turell , Thursday, June 20, 2013, 20:16 (4172 days ago) @ dhw

DAVID: Thank goodness you used the word speculation. 10^500 universes is a mathematical speculation based on unproved math excursions into the never never land of atheistic contortions to avoid our designer universe and its implications of a designer. The 10^500 argument works only if there is a smidgen of proof. Just where is that smidgen???
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> dhw: So if an atheist thinks there must be other universes, it's an excuse to avoid the designer theory, but as a theist you think there must be other universes. This doesn't strike you as illogical?-I don't follow. I think the multiverse is poppycock.-> dhw: We certainly shouldn't assume that ours is the only possibility even within our own universe, let alone others. -I don't think thre are 'others' and I actually believe we are the only life in this universe.-> dhw: Your two answers reinforce the point I was making: every attack launched by theists upon atheism can be used by atheists against theism, and vice versa. It's all speculation, and that includes your conscious, first-cause, tough-love energy, for which there is not a smidgen of proof either.-What we see requires intelligence to create it. You invent your intelligence one way, I another. But we both agree on the agency of intelligence being involved and required.