God and Reality (The nature of a \'Creator\')

by dhw, Tuesday, June 18, 2013, 13:36 (4175 days ago)

David (under "Theistic evolution vs. Darwinism"): So we are stuck. How long can a person search and how far, if there is no real answer and probably can never be?-dhw: You could hardly have made a clearer case for agnosticism.-DAVID: Why should the basis of reality be so unintelligable, unless the creator wanted to stay hidden? Read Einhorn's "A Concealed God" for clarification. God wanted a requirement of faith.-DAVID: I read another way of putting the point about quantum theory and God. We live in a secondary reality. The primary reality is at the quantum level. And that is God's level. What would an agnostic call the primary level?-There is a sour taste of the syllogistic fallacy here: The primary reality is real. We call the primary reality God. Therefore God is real. And we all clap our hands and go dancing round the church. And different people conjure up different gods, such as a conscious being who created the universe in order to produce humans, but who remains hidden so that he can test their faith and they can learn the lessons of tough love.-No, no, this won't do at all. Who says we live in a secondary reality? Who says there is a primary and a secondary? Why is it not ONE reality, of which we experience only a very small part, and of which we understand only an even smaller part. What BBella calls the "All That Is" is endless and eternal, so do you really think infinitesimally small specks like ourselves know enough to divide it up into primary and secondary? What do the terms mean anyway? Try stepping in front of a bus, and then tell me it's only a secondary reality. If you insist on making divisions, how about the reality we think we know, and the reality we don't know? Or the reality we think we understand, and the reality we don't understand? What would I call them? I don't need to call them anything.