Why is there anything? (Introduction)
dhw: I assume that the original question relates to cause, since purpose already presupposes a creator. > > > > I do not have a theory. Your alternatives are equally meaningless to me. I find it impossible to believe that ANYTHING can come from a total void, so in your first option, God (Universal Intelligence) could not "appear" from a void. In your second, if there was a god, it could not be "in" a void, because the void would then not be a void unless, as I said before, God IS nothing (which I find just as meaningless). I will grant you that there has to be a first cause, but no-one can possibly know what it is. > > By definition a first cause has to have the power to cause. It must be an eternal 'something'. Eternal, or otherwise it would not be a first cause. Naturally it can exist in a void, surrounded by that void, but separate from it. > > Since you agree there has to a first choice, why not pick something?-You've stopped being a panentheist here. These are the arguments of traditional Judaism/Christianity.
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