Ready to wrap this up? (Introduction)

by Cary Cook , Thursday, June 12, 2008, 07:16 (6006 days ago) @ dhw

If so, here's the bow: - If you don't acknowledge a personal Supreme Being, you can't say your moral code has an objective foundation, or that a conflicting moral code is wrong. You can only say you don't like a conflicting code, or that the majority or society doesn't like it. But the majority couldn't objectify a moral code even if that majority was 99%. Even survival doesn't objectify a moral code, because there's nothing to say survival is good. - If you do acknowledge a personal Supreme Being, you can say your moral code has an objective foundation, but you can't prove it or even know it, because you can't prove or know your "God" is the real Dude. If a real Dude exists, it's obvious that He doesn't want us to know, because He hasn't offered us anything but faith packages. - NOBODY is denying that an atheist can have a moral code, or that his moral code may be more moral than a theist's moral code. In fact, an atheist may accidentally have the objectively correct moral code, but he would have no way to know it, and he would be wrong about atheism if he had it. Atheists in general have less motivation to be moral than theists, because atheists don't expect an afterlife with rewards/punishments. Of course, a theist's moral code may be totally fubar if he serves an evil God. - Humanism, human dignity, social functioning, and love are all side tracks that do nothing to clarify this issue. They only add unnecessary complications. - Conclusion: If you want to claim an objective moral code that makes any kind of sense, your only option is a just God. That means you trash all Scripture inconsistent with a just God, and make whatever sense you can of the rest. FYI, I don't claim to know my moral code is objective. I just assume one exists, and try to conform to what I think it is. Based on that assumption, I do claim to know that some moral codes are so far off as to be definitely and objectively wrong. - I summarized this in my post of 2008-06-09, 03:53, but nobody responded. Either it was unclear, or you guys just weren't ready. Are you ready now?