The Big Bang (Origins)

by xeno6696 , Sonoran Desert, Thursday, May 06, 2010, 20:00 (5313 days ago) @ David Turell


> > I'm taking this off the "Laetoli footprints" thread because, as George says, if the Big Bang was the beginning of everything, there's no place for God. I'm not offering an opinion either way myself ... I'm simply railing against the definitive statement that there was no "before". No-one can possibly know that.
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> Yes they can, theoretically. Guth Borde & Valenkin presented a theorum in 2002 which was represented by Guth in the 60th birthday party symposium for Stephen 
> Hawking: simply there is no before, before the Big Bang. The theory of the Big Bang is a theory of what happened after the 'origin', whatever that was. To quote Guth (pg. 750 in the book)*, " the theorem...does show that any inflating model that is globally expanding must be geodesically incomplete in the past". His guess was: a beginning is some type of quantum event. Andrei Linde (multiverse proponent) agreed the theorem was correct. (Mike Martin 'Research News & Opportunities in Science and Theology, Vol. 3,No. 5, Jan. 2003)
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> * "The Future of Theoretical Physics and Cosmology, 2003, Cambridge U. Press-I'm late to the game here, so forgive me if I tread ground already traveled. -The big bang is a model that assumes a beginning and therefore precludes any talk of a before. Some models (String Theory) actually work to give some explanation on what would have caused the big bang, but where we're at now with the Standard Model--the only "real" answer is "we don't know." You can work the theorems back theoretically, but lets not forget that physics at this level completely ignores gravity, and therefore is incomplete. So, reasoning with an incomplete model, we can somehow say "nothing at all existed?" -The only way this makes sense is if you consider that the universe at time 0,0,0 to be one and only one quantum bit in superposition. But something had to have happened; wavefunctions don't collapse without some kind of "observation." There's still an explanation needed for what caused the first qubit to have inflated into the universe we see today.

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