The Big Bang (Origins)

by David Turell , Monday, May 03, 2010, 14:40 (5100 days ago) @ dhw

David believes in an "eternal first cause, not in time, as we perceive it. The UI always exists, and creates universes at will."
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> At the same time, David, you argue that multiverses "are part of a dying theory about membranes and stringiness. We can know nothing about them if they exist, or existed, as we are totally contained in our universe."
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> I remain confused by your belief that God creates universes (plural), and your description of the multiverse theory as dying. I don't think you can have it both ways. -The multiverse theory of 10^500 comes from the String math. The multitude surround us. I cannot know what God does, but I do have faith ( I cannot know) that God created this universe. Since He is eternal, I assume He creates one now and then to stay active. Could He be interested in 10^500? Yes, but we will never know.
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> As for belief in a "timeless and eternal" UI, it's tempting to use your multiverse argument: that we can't know if a UI exists or existed, let alone know anything about it, as we are totally contained in our universe of space, time and matter. From there, it's equally tempting to argue that our universe of space, time and matter is all there is. -More than tempting. It is all we can know. We must argue from our factual limits.-
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> This raises another of those crucial questions: if indeed he is not concerned about us, why should we be concerned about him?-Is he concerned? You are in a thought trap. We can never know how concerned He is, if at all. This is where faith and hope, and Pascal's leap appears, and always will appear. The one obvious fact is just this: God requires faith, pure and simple. Relying on supposed miracles to 'prove' His existence is intellectually dishonest.-As an aside, science brings newly discovered complexity all the time to reproductive processes at the cellular level, epigentics in plants:-http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/nrc/bot/2009/00000087/00000006/art00017