The Big Bang (Origins)

by David Turell , Sunday, May 02, 2010, 14:48 (5107 days ago) @ dhw


> "An eternal first cause, not in time, as we perceive it. The UI always exists, and creates universes at will. No other concept fits my view. The Big Bang is a 'first event' in a new universe creating space and time (as we view it), there is no time without space before BB."
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> Your suggestion that BB was a "first event in a new universe" is very different from George's claim that nothing existed before it.. George says that talk of "before" is meaningless. He may be right, but it seems to me that without a "before" you can't have a UI.-Sure I can. The UI does not exist in time. He is timeless and eternal. George is right. I prefer a UI, and he is an atheist. They prefer nothing. Time can exist only when a universe is created. Those multiverses are part of a dying theory about membranes and stringiness. We can know nothing about them if they exist,or existed, as we are totally contained in our universe. Either way, we can only know that we live in a single universe, going on our lonely way until our universe ends in heat death, stretched out to God knows where. (pun intended)
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> The dislocation in my own thinking is very apparent when I struggle to come to terms with what for me is the inconceivable idea of an eternal UI, and then read the article you recommended on
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> http://procrustes.blogtownhall.com/2010/04/27/homochirality_and_darwin.thtml 
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> This once again demonstrates how equally inconceivable is the idea of a self-assembled mechanism for life.-And that is exactly my point. The article I presented logically insists that the information in the genetic mechanism in every level of life smacks of a super-intelligence. The mass of info can only have been formulated from mental activity. Matt wishes we could know everything about the universe before making that conclusion, but that is very obvously, not necessary. The only conclusion, using everything we curently know, is a UI started this universe. It is a parsimonious statement. And Sir William would agree with me!