Dualism (Identity)

by David Turell , Tuesday, May 12, 2020, 16:04 (1655 days ago) @ dhw

DAVID: You've again left out the soul can only initiate concepts by using the brain's networks to think of them. […]

dhw: You simply refuse to pinpoint what the soul (if it exists) uses the brain FOR! Once again, do you or do you not agree that the soul does the thinking, and uses the information provided by the brain to initiate concepts, and uses the brain to implement them (= develop, design, produce and/or express them)?

DAVID: I've pinpointed over and over. The soul receives info from the brain's sensory input sources, uses the info to think by using the brains thinking networks and develops new designs and concepts by using those same networks. What don't you understand about my dualism theory that I haven't repeated before? In life the soul must use the brain's neuronal networks to receive info and think!!!

dhw: And there you go again with “the brain’s thinking networks”, which you then try to gloss over by leaving out “thinking”.

I don 't understand your confusion. In my dualism in life the soul must use the brain's thinking/conceptual networks in the frontal and prefrontal cortex to originate thoughts.

dhw: Here is yesterday’s response to “thinking networks”, which you left out: “So now you are saying the soul uses the brain’s thoughts to do its thinking! Or maybe the brain has a thinking network but it doesn’t think? Or the soul can’t think unless the brain thinks first? I’m sorry, I haven’t a clue what role your brain’s thinking networks can play in your concept of dualism.”

More confusion. The brain never thinks by itself without the soul/essence actually doing it by use of the brain's neuronal networks.

Now look at what you have agreed to below:

dhw: please pinpoint what you disagree with.

DAVID: I've edited your above statement … to show you where you make me uncomfortable:

dhw: And this provides evidence that the soul does the thinking and the developing of new concepts and the production of immaterial thoughts [only by having to use the brain's neuronal networks in life]. And (once more) in the material world it acquires information from the brain and it uses the brain to give material expression to its immaterial thoughts and concepts.

dhw: You clearly agree now with the uses I have listed, so all you’ve added is “having to”. Fine. So I agree that it HAS to use the brain in life – a) for information, and b) to give material expression to its thoughts and concepts. Now that you have discarded the materialist concept of the brain’s “THINKING network”, I can’t see any disagreement between us. (The implications concerning brain expansion are best left on that thread.)

The brain has networks that are specifically used for thinking up concepts. I simple called those 'thinking networks' to name them, not to imply they think by themselves. You interpret what I write in a strange overly literal way .