God and Evolution of the universe (Introduction)

by David Turell , Monday, September 23, 2019, 18:29 (1886 days ago) @ dhw

DAVID: The mass of materials did not exist before the Big Bang. So how is there bottom up?

dhw: Even if the BB theory is true, how can you possibly know it was not caused by a mass of materials? It is absurd to assume that nothing preceded and caused the BB. You assume that it was preceded and caused by an immaterial, eternal, all-knowing mind. The alternative is that eternal materials caused the BB.

DAVID: What created the material initially?

dhw: What created your God initially? I give you the same answer: the materials were the “first cause”!

We both agree something has to be eternal. I'll stick with God as quantum energy.

DAVID: Remember, I don't question God's decisions. History tells us what He created, not why He did it that way. It is your concept of a humanized God that raises questions.

dhw: You don’t question your INTERPRETATION of his decisions, which is that everything he created was geared to the single purpose of designing H. sapiens. I offer several different interpretations, all of which you agree fit in perfectly with the history. Your only objection is that although they are comprehensible in terms of human logic, your interpretation is right, and so God cannot possibly think in what we humans regard as a logical way. How do you know that?

DAVID: No one can know what God thinks. We can only look at what He produced and make guesses as to His purposes and reasoning.

dhw: So why do you think that your theoretical guess, which requires God’s logic to be incomprehensible to humans, is more likely to be true than other guesses which make perfect sense even to you? (See Natural Wonders and Evolution".)

My guess does not require that God's logic be incomprehensible to humans as you twist the argument. My point is all approaches to God are only guesses. I have mine and you have yours, and I have faith in mine.