God and Evolution of the universe (Introduction)

by David Turell @, Friday, September 20, 2019, 18:28 (296 days ago) @ dhw

DAVID: My logical point is something or someone has to be eternal for were to be anything now.

dhw: Precisely, so what is the point in your saying that according to the BB theory the universe is not eternal? My logical point is that either there is an eternal God (your someone) or there is an eternal mass of materials (something).

I agree that something or someone pre-existed this universe, but how did a 'mass of materials' create the complex rules of the universe by itself?

DAVID: Second, we find the Earth is most unusual among planets, and we know it supports life. Further [..] you are still touting the idea of why did God bother to do so much a forehand, still asking for direct creation, not supported by history.

dhw: What is not supported by history is your theory that your always-in-control God’s one and only purpose was to create H. sapiens! […] Now you tell us that his way of specially designing the planet that would support life to fulfil his one and only purpose was to specially design billions of heavenly bodies extant and extinct, including the “cold and molecular shells”, that have no known relevance whatsoever to the support of life.

DAVID: Those cold shells are the same as the way stars explode and fill the universe with the element molecules necessary for life.

dhw: So apparently your God designed all the billions of heavenly bodies extant and extinct because every one of them was and is necessary to create and support life on Planet Earth. I don’t buy it.

The elements necessary for life were born in the stars ( your countryman Fred Hoyle did buy it). I still believe God creates by evolving what He wants: universe, Earth, life. All are known patterns of logical development by God, the Creator

dhw: Your claim that he “preferred” to do it that way does not provide even a smidgen of explanation. So maybe he had a different purpose, or maybe he isn’t always in control, or chooses not to be always in control. […]

DAVID: I view your theism as constantly colored with a humanistic God. As the creator what we see in our reality is what He did. He had to prefer it. Your theistic hat is quite askew.

dhw: You have no idea why your God would have chosen to create billions of non-Earths and billions of non-human life forms, lifestyles and natural wonders when all he wanted to design was Planet Earth and H. sapiens. But you defend this totally illogical theory by telling us that any logical explanation of our reality can’t be right, because God is not human!

I do have a scientific reason; see above. And you want to make Him human in thought. You have a very narrow view of how a humanized God might have acted.

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