Horizontal gene transfer: does influence evolution (Introduction)
DAVID: No question horizontal gene transfer is a major contributor to the course of evolution.
dhw: And so we begin the process with cells cooperating in order to enhance their chances of survival. Between us we have come up with three separate theories as to how this cooperation has led to evolution: 1) David’s God preprogrammed every single new combination of cells; 2) David’s God personally manipulated each new combination as and when he felt like it (dabbling); 3) (theistic version) David’s God designed the cells with the intelligence to work out their own ways of cooperating. This particular article uses interesting language: “unbridled zeal”, “excellent strategy”, “are concerned with”, “a chance to advance itself…it will not hesitate”. Sounds like (3) to me!
DAVID: Or the 'intelligence of cells' is the programmed information from God. 1,2, and 3 may all be the same.
I don’t know why you have to bring in the term “information”, when the alternatives are already perfectly clear. There is no way divine preprogramming (fixed beforehand), divine dabbling (fixed on the spot) and autonomous cooperation (fixed by the cells themselves) could possibly be the same.
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- horizontal gene transfer: the real IM? -
David Turell,
2014-12-14, 14:22
- horizontal gene transfer: the real IM? -
BBella,
2014-12-14, 18:50
- horizontal gene transfer: the real IM? - David Turell, 2014-12-14, 21:01
- horizontal gene transfer: the real IM? -
dhw,
2014-12-15, 17:21
- horizontal gene transfer: the real IM? -
David Turell,
2014-12-16, 00:35
- horizontal gene transfer: the real IM? -
dhw,
2014-12-16, 18:09
- horizontal gene transfer: the real IM? -
David Turell,
2014-12-16, 20:20
- horizontal gene transfer: the real IM? -
dhw,
2014-12-17, 19:13
- horizontal gene transfer: the real IM? -
David Turell,
2014-12-18, 01:39
- horizontal gene transfer: the real IM? -
dhw,
2014-12-19, 17:56
- horizontal gene transfer: the real IM? -
David Turell,
2014-12-20, 00:31
- horizontal gene transfer: the real IM? -
dhw,
2014-12-20, 17:33
- horizontal gene transfer: the real IM? -
David Turell,
2014-12-20, 18:40
- horizontal gene transfer: the real IM? - dhw, 2014-12-21, 13:22
- horizontal gene transfer: the real IM? -
Balance_Maintained,
2014-12-20, 19:09
- horizontal gene transfer: the real IM? -
David Turell,
2014-12-20, 21:19
- horizontal gene transfer: the real IM? -
Balance_Maintained,
2014-12-21, 07:42
- horizontal gene transfer: the real IM? -
Balance_Maintained,
2014-12-21, 11:46
- horizontal gene transfer: the real IM? -
David Turell,
2014-12-21, 15:12
- horizontal gene transfer: the real IM? -
Balance_Maintained,
2014-12-21, 17:48
- horizontal gene transfer: the real IM? - David Turell, 2014-12-22, 00:39
- horizontal gene transfer: the real IM? -
David Turell,
2014-12-22, 01:07
- horizontal gene transfer: the real IM? - Balance_Maintained, 2014-12-22, 08:47
- horizontal gene transfer: the real IM? -
Balance_Maintained,
2014-12-22, 08:56
- horizontal gene transfer: the real IM? -
David Turell,
2014-12-22, 15:28
- horizontal gene transfer: the real IM? -
Balance_Maintained,
2014-12-22, 18:01
- horizontal gene transfer: the real IM? - David Turell, 2014-12-23, 03:34
- horizontal gene transfer: the real IM? -
Balance_Maintained,
2014-12-22, 18:01
- horizontal gene transfer: the real IM? -
David Turell,
2014-12-22, 15:28
- horizontal gene transfer: the real IM? -
Balance_Maintained,
2014-12-21, 17:48
- horizontal gene transfer: the real IM? -
David Turell,
2014-12-21, 15:12
- horizontal gene transfer: the real IM? -
BBella,
2014-12-22, 05:44
- horizontal gene transfer: the real IM? -
Balance_Maintained,
2014-12-22, 08:31
- horizontal gene transfer: the real IM? - BBella, 2014-12-22, 21:00
- horizontal gene transfer: the real IM? -
Balance_Maintained,
2014-12-22, 08:31
- horizontal gene transfer: the real IM? -
Balance_Maintained,
2014-12-21, 11:46
- horizontal gene transfer: the real IM? -
Balance_Maintained,
2014-12-21, 07:42
- horizontal gene transfer: the real IM? -
David Turell,
2014-12-20, 21:19
- horizontal gene transfer: the real IM? -
David Turell,
2014-12-20, 18:40
- horizontal gene transfer: the real IM? -
dhw,
2014-12-20, 17:33
- horizontal gene transfer: the real IM? -
David Turell,
2014-12-20, 00:31
- horizontal gene transfer: the real IM? -
dhw,
2014-12-19, 17:56
- horizontal gene transfer: the real IM? -
David Turell,
2014-12-18, 01:39
- horizontal gene transfer: the real IM? -
dhw,
2014-12-17, 19:13
- horizontal gene transfer: the real IM? -
David Turell,
2014-12-16, 20:20
- horizontal gene transfer: the real IM? -
dhw,
2014-12-16, 18:09
- horizontal gene transfer: the real IM? -
Balance_Maintained,
2014-12-17, 08:51
- horizontal gene transfer: the real IM? -
David Turell,
2014-12-17, 14:53
- horizontal gene transfer: the real IM? -
Balance_Maintained,
2014-12-17, 18:08
- horizontal gene transfer: the real IM? - David Turell, 2014-12-17, 18:16
- horizontal gene transfer: the real IM? -
Balance_Maintained,
2014-12-17, 18:08
- horizontal gene transfer: the real IM? -
dhw,
2014-12-18, 21:39
- horizontal gene transfer: the real IM? - Balance_Maintained, 2014-12-18, 21:53
- horizontal gene transfer: the real IM? -
David Turell,
2014-12-19, 01:24
- horizontal gene transfer: viral DNA -
David Turell,
2014-12-19, 15:07
- horizontal gene transfer:viral DNA transfer in gut infection - David Turell, 2017-03-17, 14:01
- horizontal gene transfer: the real IM? -
dhw,
2014-12-19, 18:16
- The real IM?; Bacterial DNA transfer -
David Turell,
2015-02-17, 00:14
- The real IM?; horizontal gene transfer -
David Turell,
2016-10-11, 19:06
- The real IM?; stealing genes - David Turell, 2016-10-11, 20:26
- The real IM?; horizontal gene transfer -
David Turell,
2016-10-12, 14:42
- Horizontal gene transfer: used by parasitic plants -
David Turell,
2016-10-30, 13:48
- Horizontal gene transfer: how it works -
David Turell,
2016-12-21, 00:41
- Horizontal gene transfer: mechanical mechanism seen -
David Turell,
2018-06-12, 01:26
- Horizontal gene transfer: DNA transfer mechanisms -
David Turell,
2018-06-19, 20:44
- Horizontal gene transfer: DNA transfer mechanisms -
dhw,
2018-06-20, 13:19
- Horizontal gene transfer: DNA transfer mechanisms -
David Turell,
2018-06-20, 15:27
- Horizontal gene transfer: DNA transfer mechanisms -
dhw,
2018-06-21, 12:57
- Horizontal gene transfer: DNA transfer mechanisms -
David Turell,
2018-06-21, 15:27
- Horizontal gene transfer: DNA transfer mechanisms -
dhw,
2018-06-22, 13:04
- Horizontal gene transfer: DNA transfer mechanisms -
David Turell,
2018-06-22, 18:25
- Horizontal gene transfer: DNA transfer mechanisms -
dhw,
2018-06-23, 10:25
- Horizontal gene transfer: DNA transfer mechanisms -
David Turell,
2018-06-23, 15:18
- Horizontal gene transfer: DNA transfer mechanisms -
dhw,
2018-06-24, 15:47
- Horizontal gene transfer: DNA transfer mechanisms -
David Turell,
2018-06-24, 18:53
- Horizontal gene transfer: DNA transfer mechanisms -
dhw,
2018-06-25, 13:54
- Horizontal gene transfer: DNA transfer mechanisms -
David Turell,
2018-06-25, 15:23
- Horizontal gene transfer: does drive evolution -
David Turell,
2018-07-12, 15:02
- Horizontal gene transfer: does drive evolution -
Balance_Maintained,
2018-07-12, 20:14
- Horizontal gene transfer: does drive evolution -
David Turell,
2018-07-12, 21:25
- Horizontal gene transfer: does drive evolution -
Balance_Maintained,
2018-07-12, 23:41
- Horizontal gene transfer: does drive evolution - David Turell, 2018-07-13, 00:54
- Horizontal gene transfer: does drive evolution -
Balance_Maintained,
2018-07-12, 23:41
- Horizontal gene transfer: does drive evolution -
David Turell,
2018-07-12, 21:25
- Horizontal gene transfer: does drive evolution -
dhw,
2018-07-13, 10:51
- Horizontal gene transfer: does drive evolution -
David Turell,
2018-07-13, 18:33
- Horizontal gene transfer: in plants? -
David Turell,
2019-02-18, 21:27
- Horizontal gene transfer: bacteria spear other bacteria -
David Turell,
2019-03-19, 18:50
- Horizontal gene transfer: involving a complex plant -
David Turell,
2019-07-23, 05:23
- Horizontal gene transfer: transfer controls -
David Turell,
2019-08-06, 20:27
- Horizontal gene transfer: does influence evolution -
David Turell,
2019-09-07, 18:35
- Horizontal gene transfer: does influence evolution -
dhw,
2019-09-08, 09:59
- Horizontal gene transfer: does influence evolution -
David Turell,
2019-09-08, 14:58
- Horizontal gene transfer: does influence evolution -
dhw,
2019-09-09, 08:20
- Horizontal gene transfer: does influence evolution -
David Turell,
2019-09-09, 15:22
- Horizontal gene transfer: does influence evolution -
dhw,
2019-09-10, 10:33
- Horizontal gene transfer: does influence evolution -
David Turell,
2019-09-10, 16:50
- Horizontal gene transfer: does influence evolution -
dhw,
2019-09-11, 10:16
- Horizontal gene transfer: does influence evolution -
David Turell,
2019-09-11, 20:01
- Horizontal gene transfer: does influence evolution -
dhw,
2019-09-12, 09:55
- Horizontal gene transfer: does influence evolution -
David Turell,
2019-09-12, 15:02
- Horizontal gene transfer: plant to insect pest -
David Turell,
2021-03-27, 14:38
- Horizontal gene transfer: in large animals -
David Turell,
2021-06-10, 18:26
- Horizontal gene transfer: active in gut bacteria -
David Turell,
2022-02-03, 22:28
- Horizontal gene transfer: active in gut bacteria -
dhw,
2022-02-04, 08:10
- Horizontal gene transfer: active in gut bacteria -
David Turell,
2022-02-04, 15:40
- Horizontal gene transfer found at all levels of evolution -
David Turell,
2022-07-14, 16:06
- Horizontal gene transfer unexplained -
David Turell,
2022-10-27, 16:47
- Horizontal gene transfer in Archaea -
David Turell,
2022-11-17, 15:02
- Horizontal gene transfer in Archaea-another article -
David Turell,
2023-02-15, 16:49
- Horizontal gene transfer studied -
David Turell,
2023-06-18, 18:59
- Horizontal gene transfer: new evidence studied - David Turell, 2023-07-04, 01:32
- Horizontal gene transfer through plasmids - David Turell, 2023-09-14, 22:20
- Horizontal gene transfer studied -
David Turell,
2023-06-18, 18:59
- Horizontal gene transfer in Archaea-another article -
David Turell,
2023-02-15, 16:49
- Horizontal gene transfer in Archaea -
David Turell,
2022-11-17, 15:02
- Horizontal gene transfer unexplained -
David Turell,
2022-10-27, 16:47
- Horizontal gene transfer found at all levels of evolution -
David Turell,
2022-07-14, 16:06
- Horizontal gene transfer: active in gut bacteria -
David Turell,
2022-02-04, 15:40
- Horizontal gene transfer: active in gut bacteria -
dhw,
2022-02-04, 08:10
- Horizontal gene transfer: active in gut bacteria -
David Turell,
2022-02-03, 22:28
- Horizontal gene transfer: in large animals -
David Turell,
2021-06-10, 18:26
- Horizontal gene transfer: plant to insect pest -
David Turell,
2021-03-27, 14:38
- Horizontal gene transfer: does influence evolution -
David Turell,
2019-09-12, 15:02
- Horizontal gene transfer: does influence evolution -
dhw,
2019-09-12, 09:55
- Horizontal gene transfer: does influence evolution -
David Turell,
2019-09-11, 20:01
- Horizontal gene transfer: does influence evolution -
dhw,
2019-09-11, 10:16
- Horizontal gene transfer: does influence evolution -
David Turell,
2019-09-10, 16:50
- Horizontal gene transfer: does influence evolution -
dhw,
2019-09-10, 10:33
- Horizontal gene transfer: does influence evolution -
David Turell,
2019-09-09, 15:22
- Horizontal gene transfer: does influence evolution -
dhw,
2019-09-09, 08:20
- Horizontal gene transfer: does influence evolution -
David Turell,
2019-09-08, 14:58
- Horizontal gene transfer: does influence evolution -
dhw,
2019-09-08, 09:59
- Horizontal gene transfer: does influence evolution -
David Turell,
2019-09-07, 18:35
- Horizontal gene transfer: transfer controls -
David Turell,
2019-08-06, 20:27
- Horizontal gene transfer: involving a complex plant -
David Turell,
2019-07-23, 05:23
- Horizontal gene transfer: bacteria spear other bacteria -
David Turell,
2019-03-19, 18:50
- Horizontal gene transfer: in plants? -
David Turell,
2019-02-18, 21:27
- Horizontal gene transfer: does drive evolution -
David Turell,
2018-07-13, 18:33
- Horizontal gene transfer: does drive evolution -
Balance_Maintained,
2018-07-12, 20:14
- Horizontal gene transfer: DNA transfer mechanisms - David Turell, 2020-01-24, 19:01
- Horizontal gene transfer: does drive evolution -
David Turell,
2018-07-12, 15:02
- Horizontal gene transfer: DNA transfer mechanisms -
David Turell,
2018-06-25, 15:23
- Horizontal gene transfer: DNA transfer mechanisms -
dhw,
2018-06-25, 13:54
- Horizontal gene transfer: DNA transfer mechanisms -
David Turell,
2018-06-24, 18:53
- Horizontal gene transfer: DNA transfer mechanisms -
dhw,
2018-06-24, 15:47
- Horizontal gene transfer: DNA transfer mechanisms -
David Turell,
2018-06-23, 15:18
- Horizontal gene transfer: DNA transfer mechanisms -
dhw,
2018-06-23, 10:25
- Horizontal gene transfer: DNA transfer mechanisms -
David Turell,
2018-06-22, 18:25
- Horizontal gene transfer: DNA transfer mechanisms -
dhw,
2018-06-22, 13:04
- Horizontal gene transfer: DNA transfer mechanisms -
David Turell,
2018-06-21, 15:27
- Horizontal gene transfer: DNA transfer mechanisms -
dhw,
2018-06-21, 12:57
- Horizontal gene transfer: DNA transfer mechanisms -
David Turell,
2018-06-20, 15:27
- Horizontal gene transfer: DNA transfer mechanisms -
dhw,
2018-06-20, 13:19
- Horizontal gene transfer: DNA transfer mechanisms -
David Turell,
2018-06-19, 20:44
- Horizontal gene transfer: mechanical mechanism seen -
David Turell,
2018-06-12, 01:26
- Horizontal gene transfer: how it works -
David Turell,
2016-12-21, 00:41
- Horizontal gene transfer: used by parasitic plants -
David Turell,
2016-10-30, 13:48
- The real IM?; horizontal gene transfer -
David Turell,
2016-10-11, 19:06
- The real IM?; Bacterial DNA transfer -
David Turell,
2015-02-17, 00:14
- horizontal gene transfer: viral DNA -
David Turell,
2014-12-19, 15:07
- horizontal gene transfer: the real IM? -
David Turell,
2014-12-17, 14:53
- horizontal gene transfer: the real IM? -
David Turell,
2014-12-16, 00:35
- horizontal gene transfer: the real IM? -
BBella,
2014-12-14, 18:50