horizontal gene transfer: the real IM? (Introduction)

by Balance_Maintained , U.S.A., Monday, December 22, 2014, 08:56 (3624 days ago) @ David Turell


> > Tony: Actually, the part that makes it interesting is that 
> > A) That area is more than 5000 feet above sea level.
> > B) The trees are not native to that area, so they had to come from somewhere (some were native to SE Asia)
> > C) There were mirror sites in Oregon near the same elevations containing the same type of layers and fauna.
> > 
> > How did trees from Asia end up 5000 + feet above sea level in the U.S. in layered strata in a short amount of time?
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> David: You make a good point about the elevation of the forest. The story tells that the water covered all the mountains, which with Everest at 29,000+ feet or thereabouts, would certainly reach Yellowstone. I read the article carefully. What it does not mention is trees from Asia. but that aside, what really makes me raise questions is the Ark which was not that large. How did Noah get kangaroos and llamas in his region of the world, as examples of species far afield from where the Ark landed. All of the animals boarded at the same time. Also two by two makes for a terrible genetic pool for each species. And what happened to all of the plant vegetation that drowned? None were taken on the Ark and the flood lasted 150 days. 
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> From your comments to dhw you have done an amazing amount of study. Very admirable to me. I'm glad you responded to my request for more material from your point of view. Dhw thinks I am closed-minded. I'm not, but I can't know everything, and I work to conclusions from the material I've had time to cover.-
Well, as far as how he got them there, a Pangea is not a biblical concept, but it does have a lot of supporting evidence. That would, perhaps, at least explain them being on one continent, which is also in line with Genesis where it talks about the animals being brought to Adam to be named. That also gives us the 'how'. If God could cause the animals to gather in one location to be named, then he could certainly manage for Noah. It never says Noah actually rounded them up himself. -As far as the space requirements, that is an issue, I admit, and one of the reasons I am intensely curious about speciation vs. adaptation. Taking two dogs with perfect bloodlines would carry all the genetic material needed for all many varieties on the planet, but because our current taxonomy is definitely wrong (by a genetic standpoint) it is very difficult to say which creatures would have had to have been on board. I don't pretend to have an easy answer to every problem.

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