An Alternative to Evolution: pt 2 (Introduction)
DAVID: (to Tony): You don't seem to believe in common descent, but based on your discussion of rearranging parts, doesn't that imply each stage came from the past stage?
dhw: Precisely. David and I agree for once!
DAVID: I don't agree with what you believe. What is rearranged is DNA, not a primary change in parts. That is always secondary.
dhw: You were arguing that each stage came from a past stage, and that = common descent. I also think that each stage came from a past stage, and that = common descent.
DAVID: God running the process of evolution is a form of common descent.
Tony: ONLY IF speciation, as a process, occurs, which we have not observed. The alternative is that he designed prototypes, with built in variability parameters, and that life has stayed within those types and those variability parameters.
David: What you are proposing sounds like pure dhw. Original forms had built-in ways to reform themselves into something more complex. No dabbling required.
It is a difference in degrees. Did the designer not dabble at all(preprogrammed everything), dabble a little(prototypes with limited variation), or dabble constantly (special creation for every variety?
My view is that he dabbled a little, when appropriate and necessary, leaving the code for limited variation to handle the rest.
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What is the purpose of living? How about, 'to reduce needless suffering. It seems to me to be a worthy purpose.
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