An Alternative to Evolution: pt 2 (Introduction)

by dhw, Wednesday, July 11, 2018, 12:11 (159 days ago) @ Balance_Maintained

dhw: All fine, except that back you go to random chance. The history of life as we know it shows a vast bush of organisms that have come and gone. As far as we know, humans are a late development. As far as we know, bacteria have been here since the year dot. So why do you think your God could not have designed a mechanism for life to produce a vast bush of organisms that have come and gone, starting with bacteria and (possibly) culminating in us humans? If we accept your belief in God, the alternative here is not chance versus design. It is between evolution designed by God and….what designed by God? You still haven’t told us!

TONY: The vast bush of life.... It's an illusion. It is a fairy tale. Cladistics is subjective, based on which features are considered most relevant. Genetic research has it clouded beyond recognition because it defies their expectations. Proof positive that their theory is broken. That is why they are constantly needing to reshuffle the Bush! The do it because their predictions failed. Repeatedly.

Darwin also recognized the enormous difficulty of defining species, but how does that invalidate the theory that all organisms descended from other organisms, apart from the “few forms or one” into which life was “originally breathed by the Creator”? (Origin of Species)?

TONY: My hypothesis rejects the vast bush of life in favor of programmed limitations on the amount of divergence from the mean, and no viable species level divergences.

By “vast bush” I simply mean the huge variety of organisms that have been and gone. I don’t know how many constituted species and how many constituted variants, but my question was why you don’t think your God could have designed a mechanism that resulted in all of them evolving from the few forms or one?

TONY: Yes, random chance plays a role. A species variant may have been in the wrong place at the wrong time and died out. It happens. The environment changes beyond their limited ability to adapt to and they die out. It happens.

It has apparently happened on a colossal scale, but we are not talking about random chance here anyway. We are talking about evolution designed by your God.

TONY: Sure, some variation within a species happens. Bigger heads, smaller feet, more hair, less hair, thicker bones, thinner bones, etc. But Within preprogrammed limits. A bird has always been a bird and will always be a bird. Not a cat or a dinosaur or a potato. It is based on Intelligent Design.

Fine. And why do you think it is impossible for your God to have intelligently designed a mechanism whereby organisms evolved into different organisms? Not just variations but species, all descended from a few forms or one? I know of one theistic evolutionist who believes his God preprogrammed or dabbled all these developments.

TONY: My hypothesis does not need to resort to the tangled bush theory. The prototypes were designed and deployed and have continuously varied within predefined limits. The similarities in genetics between different species is entirely due to the fact that they are written in the same genetic programming language.

Forget the tangled bush, as my own reference was simply to the vast variety of organisms. That does not involve any theory as to HOW the variety came into existence. The similarities can be regarded as evidence that all life descended from the same source. Why is it not conceivable that your God designed the whole evolutionary mechanism for speciation and variation to develop out of the same genetic programming language he invented right at the beginning of life?

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