An Alternative to Evolution: pt 2 (Introduction)

by Balance_Maintained @, U.S.A., Thursday, July 12, 2018, 19:58 (150 days ago) @ dhw

dhw: Why is it not conceivable that your God designed the whole evolutionary mechanism for speciation and variation to develop out of the same genetic programming language he invented right at the beginning of life?

TONY: I've already explained why, but you didnt like the answers. God likely could do whatever he wanted, but are talking about what he Did do, not could do. Show me evidence.

DHW Please humour me and summarize in a single sentence why it is not possible.

My hypothesis Does allow for variation, but not speciation as we currently view it. The primary reason is this: my hypothesis predicts that Genetic information will be function specific and limited in variation by requirements of the complexity involved. There is no known method to add the information needed to make diverge into a new species, and the information does not, to our knowledge, exist in prior species. We have no evidence of inventive functionality at the cellular level. New functionality appears fully formed. The problem is that my hypothesis would turn cladistics on its head. We are speaking about concepts that have not been reworked under the new hypothesis. Without speciation, the vast bush of life would look far different.

DHW All of us can show some evidence for our hypotheses, but none of us can provide conclusive evidence even that your God exists, let alone that he did it this way and not that way.

That is why I have repeatedly asked that we keep God out of the scientific part of this conversation. It isn't a hypothesis about God, but rather about genetic information.

DHW Tony has asked David the same question as my own: why can’t a new organ/organism contain and pass on information that did not exist before? And I have repeatedly asked for a definition of “information” – request repeatedly ignored. The only answer we get is: “I believe all the necessary info for life and evolution was present from the beginning. The loss of information from mutations means everything needed was present at the first cell.” But David, you also believe your God dabbled. Is it not possible that he added “information” to whatever he dabbled with? If only you would define "information", your argument might become clearer.

Actually, David and I both agree, I think, that an organism cannot pass on information it doesn't already contain. That concept is pretty fundamental to modern biology. Also, I did give a very clear and detailed accounting of information in another post on this thread.

What is the purpose of living? How about, 'to reduce needless suffering. It seems to me to be a worthy purpose.

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