The immensity of the universe;addendum (The nature of a \'Creator\')

by dhw, Thursday, February 04, 2016, 08:26 (2976 days ago) @ David Turell

dhw: First cause, yes. But there does NOT have to be a chain of events that avoids chance. Your atheist will tell you that there has to be a chain of events that avoids the invention of a sourceless, invisible, supernatural, unknowable supermind that creates and controls billions and billions of solar systems and also shows the weaverbird how to build its nest. First cause, then, he will argue, MUST be the billions and billions of mindless material bodies and processes that eventually chance to produce life on Earth. No, I don't believe it either. But it is no more fantastic than the God theory.-DAVID: You have presented two fantastic theories. I favor one. You mention the other. Is there a third way? If not only one of the two is correct. Logic tells me it is mine.-I have no doubt an atheist would say exactly the same. And when the poor old agnostic points out logical flaws on each side, the answer is either evasive or along the lines of “time will prove me right”. Well, one of you IS right, so more fool me and one of you!


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