The immensity of the universe;addendum (The nature of a \'Creator\')
DAVID: I can't give you a rational discussion about the evolution of the universe, when I cannot discern God's method. dhw: Billions of solar systems coming and going, millions of exploding stars...possibly for ever...It is BECAUSE it all seems so impersonal and undirected, i.e. BECAUSE there is no discernible “method”, that some of us doubt the existence of a God. Your starting point is that God exists and so the seeming disorder must have a purpose. My starting point is the seeming disorder, and this sheds doubt on the existence of a purpose and a God. It is the same with the seemingly disorderly history of comings and goings and lifestyles and wonders of biological evolution, for which again you struggle to “discern God's method”.-DAVID: I'm not making myself clear. By not 'discerning God's method' I am stating that I really don't know why God chose to evolve a universe which I view done in an orderly fashion to create the elements to support life. It all seems personal and directed, just sort of roundabout.-Still not clear, I'm afraid. In October 2015 it was reported that astronomers had captured the destruction of a solar system a mere 570 light years away from Earth (long, long, long after life is believed to have begun). I do not understand why your almighty God should create billions of suns and zillions of stars which appear and will eventually disappear, when all he wanted to do was assemble the elements with which he could produce life on Earth. You do not seem to understand it either, so please explain why the destruction of a solar system 570 light years away (as an example to illustrate the whole problem) seems to you to be orderly, personal and directed.
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