Quantum weirdness (Introduction)

by David Turell , Sunday, December 01, 2013, 21:05 (4010 days ago) @ dhw


> dhw: My objection is to the suggestion that this level of reality is more real than our everyday reality.-How do you know which is more real. They both are. But the quantum level undlies and creates the reality we live in. Just because you don't understand it don't downgrade the quantum level.-
> DAVID: Only to recognize that everything we experience is at third hand in an interpretatiion by our neurons and emergent conscious undestanding. Yes, certainly real to us.
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> dhw: Why third hand? You seem to be separating "us" from our neurons and our consciousness. Yes, it's all interpretation, which = subjectivity. But there is also intersubjectivity, and that is as close as we can get to objectivity.-third hand? Our senses are transmitted by ion electric currents, arrive at a complex of neurons and their dentrites and our consciousness interprets the messages and we see, we hear, we smell, we feel, etc. Yes, third hand, which is why the methodological materialists try to tell us we have no free will and the whole thing is mechanical. It all works seamlessly, so we have our sense of self ,but that is what makes it so amazing and so miraculous. That is why Dr. Henry wrote what he did, even though it so startled you. How does an inorganic universe create consciousness, if none is originally present? None of us can answer that, but we must recognize the philosophic importance of it.