Afterlife (Endings)

by BBella , Monday, January 28, 2013, 06:14 (4316 days ago) @ dhw

[In talking about Hitler in the Afterlife (IBT) dhw asked: how could anyone remember what they've done, who they were, and yet be unaware of the concepts of good and bad they lived with and believed in during their past lives?-I would like to think that in the IBT concepts like good and bad are understood in a completely different way than anything we can conceive of here on Earth and so is processed differently since we have access to all knowledge of the CC (collective conscious) of the ATI (All That Is). 
 
> BBELLA: Possibly, such a situation as Hitler brought about, may work for Earth's evolving human nature, in the long run - learning by histories mistakes. So much goes on here that is horrific to the human conscience (as well as wonderful), and it definitely brings me comfort to think that in the IBT, it is understood the purpose and balance of it all.
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> In your ideal scenario, then, there is a purpose. Perhaps you see it in terms of love and happiness? -First off, remember the souls in the IBT have eternal life. Not to say that is the way it has to be, possibly a soul can be extinguished if a soul chooses. But a purpose for eternal souls? I would think that would be left up to the souls themselves to choose a purpose if they thought they needed one for a time. Because if I begin to think of an overarching purpose for everything in the unseen realm, then that brings in overlords for everything that IS! There may be overlords in the physical realm of matter, gods and so forth. But in the soul plane of existence, I'd like to think there is no overlord or ruler, and that souls there are left to find their way with the help or guidance of their connection to the collective ALL That Is. Oh, and I did want to mention the possibility of a place between matter and the IBT that may account for paranormal activities like ghost. ->But if you talk of history's "mistakes", doesn't that automatically involve judgement, and good and bad? And why would the before-and-after monster Hitler think it was all a "mistake"? -The word mistake wasn't used from the perspective of the IBT (as a soul wouldn't think in terms of good, bad, mistakes, etc), but from the perspective of we humans who examine our past history and try and decide or make judgments about how something like that happens, we may decide allowing something that to happen again is wrong, so we direct our future away from allowing it for the betterment of all future lives. Hopefully that event in history detours anything like that from ever happening again. -> 
> BBELLA: I can imagine that even if I knew for a fact that what I dreamed was real and I had killed someone in my dream, I don't think I would suffer here for the killing there (not to say it wouldn't filter thru now and then). Because I would understand that in that life, whatever I did was done because of what was going on in that life and not connected to who I am and what is going on in this one.
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> This corresponds to some multiverse theories, with umpteen versions of ourselves existing elsewhere, and to the quantum phenomenon, with one thing being in two places at the same time.-Possibly. But I would like to think that when I am here I am fully here, just without the information I would have when I am there, in the IBT. Because here I know nothing except for who I am here.->But what will be your feelings when you get to the IBT and discover you really are a murderer? And your alter ego doesn't care? How can both BBellas be you without any conflict? For me, this is a nightmare, not a dream!-I don't see it like an alter ego. To me, again, it would be more like waking from a dream. In a dream I am fully who I am in the dream, but when I wake up, even tho I have near full remembrance of who I was in the dream, I don't get confused and think of myself as that person in the dream, because I know I'm not. So even tho a soul plays a role in this life (for the betterment of society or to help support another soul, or just because), they are not that person in the IBT even tho they have full memory of that person and their connections to everyone in that life. Of course, if any of this is true, the abilities of a soul in the IBT could not be comprehended by a human who knows nothing more than what he has experienced here. -> BBELLA: Most everything is perspective (if not everything), as science is closer to understanding, and will one day have to admit. So, it seems to me, it is true for both the material and the immaterial planes of existence.
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> This ties in with our discussions on subjectivity: ultimately no-one knows what constitutes "reality". However, when I go to the IBT, any new knowledge will still have to be subjectively processed (according to my perspective) if I haven't become an automaton. (See next set of questions!)-I agree. And that process would be similar, but more entailed, I would think, to what those who have vivid dreams, as I do, have to go thru when we wake up and have to acclimate to this life from the dream life. 
 
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