Afterlife (Endings)

by BBella , Monday, January 21, 2013, 04:59 (4323 days ago) @ dhw

BBella and I are discussing possible afterlives.
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> BBELLA; It would actually be eternal life with many endings, if you (visit) spend lives in places that have endings, like earth. Going back to the base/heaven/the inbetween/etc. would be a joyous occasion each time, especially finding out, again, life is eternal and you really didn't die (as many NDE'rs explain it). 
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> The bodies of NDE'rs are technically dead, and although they can perceive things in our world (as in OBEs) they can obviously experience a different world too, so I guess this fits in nicely with your vision. I wonder, though, if the places you visit and the people you meet will all be pleasurable.-I would think that when souls (using soul for the lack of any other word) are in the IBT (in-between time) everyone and every thing would be a pleasurable experience. But when a soul visits (agrees to be born in) a place like Earth (maybe earth is the only place like this) you have no memory of before you got here, and life is an emotional roller coaster of experiences that you can rarely understand, and you have no memory of the IBT because you specifically came here to forget and to experience these emotions of not knowing. So, of course here, on Earth, we would meet and hear about plenty of unhappy souls that won't be as pleasurable. So why come here at all? It could be to break the boredom spell after a millenia or so, or come to support another souls experience here. Or to experience being an important mover or shaker here on earth, or just to experience an emotion we have yet to experience. Being here, and not in the IBT, I can't say. ->If lovely folk like you live on with your identities intact, so will nasty folk like Hitler, and so will his millions of victims.-In my thinking, of how I want the IBT to be, when a soul gets back to the IBT (after death), they cease living the life they lived on Earth, in the sense, they remember who they truly are (the remember the many lives they lived before, the eons of knowledge they had before they came to the land of forgetfulness of their recent past life, etc). So the influences that would have compelled Hitler to become who he was on earth (certainly a mover and shaker) no longer applies to his IBT life. Imagine playing a video game where you have created a whole life where you are the king and you've killed a lot of people, but when you shut it off, you live a life nothing like that life and know so much more than the person you play in the video. Let's say that in years to come they create something like the holodeck on star wars...it would be something like that. In other words, when Hitler gets to the IBT he will be using all of his brain and memory (not just 10 percent). ->If we really aren't simply the sum of our materials, consciousness has to be a form of energy that is independent of the brain (this unknown form of intelligent energy is precisely how David sees his god). An afterlife only seems feasible to me in this form. But if one person's consciousness is independent, then so is everybody else's. And if one person keeps his identity, then so does everybody else. -In many of the NDE's they first feel complete trust and a knowing that everything is good, warm and wonderful and they have no worries, and many say they do not want to return. Usually they meet someone they either know from their life but have passed, or someone kin to them that has passed they may or may have not known, and these people usually tell them they are not ready to come back yet and they have to go back...but, again, the NDE'er always say they don't want go back to their lives but something compels them to or they just get sucked back into their body. This tells me that where the person goes feels wonderful and they trust it and have complete peace and have kept their identities but not enough to want to return to their loved ones, since the place they have entered is much more compelling (which seems should be a great sign about this place we will all be heading to at some point). But this "place" must be like the train station or pearly gates and not the actual welcome home ceremony, because it's rarely ever more than this one person meet and greet. So going by these experiences, it appears the person keeps their identity because they never really let go of their physical/material self which is attached to their physical identity. I can imagine, when it is a complete death, that after a bit of deprogramming from their past identity, they begin to remember their full IBT identity and integrate their experiences here into their full memory. I'm sure there probably would be a period of adjustment. -continued...