Evolution, Science & Religion (Evolution)
Back it up with evidence. I've got reams of literature and research showing how badly ... > > > 1. Antibiotics. Without which, common infections would result in millions of more deaths in a year. >-Which are also responsible for creating antibiotic resistant mutations that make them even worse than the original. > 2. Cardiac Surgery. Without which, heart failure (even not caused by bad diets) would be automatic failure. > -See the article by the Heart Surgeon that I posted sometime back.-> 3. Democratic Government. Without which, we would never be able to replace leaders when and if they went astray. (American Democracy was an enlightenment (materialist) invention.) > > 4. Electricity, without which, millions of people would die without proper heating or air conditioning. > -No. They would become acclimated to their environment. The reason people die is BECAUSE air conditioning de-acclimates them by separating them from their environment. I have lived in 150°F heat with no AC for months on end. No big drama. There are other ways to stay warm. People managed for millions of years without it.-> 5. Computers, without which, you would be unable to communicate with a huge majority of the world. > -And we would be forced to communicate with people sitting in the same room as us instead of having our attention constantly diverted into a realm of cyber reality. I love the internet, but even I am not blind to its harmful impact on society.-> Most of the flaws you've found in "materialism" are due to the fact that things we didn't know before hand came back to bite us in some way. Countering my claims above: > > > Point being: You're blaming "materialists" for being unable to predict the future... something no prophet of antiquity was actually able to do. > -Not at all. I blame materialists for the mindset that leads to the sense of entitlement that leads to the promotion of the ID/EGO above all else, which in turn leads to gratifying the desires of the ego to be more important than anything else. -Has knowledge that Antibiotics create super strains stopped them from being used? NO-Has knowledge that the vast majority of super market food, or fast foods, are the prime cause of our heart failures caused us to stop making or consuming the garbage? No-Has knowledge that our hunger for energy is destroying the world(literally) caused us to let go of what is obviously a broken, non-sustainable system? No-Has the failure of every single type of government ever created taught us that humans are capable of wielding power properly? No (In democracies case we simply move from one bad leader to another)-Has our understanding of biology, the ecosystem, and how small changes can decimate entire species caused us to stop our rape of the world for her natural resources? No-Even in the presence of things that threaten our entire species, like AIDs or cancer, we do not change.- I don't fault materialist for not being clairvoyant, but all of these are things that we KNOW and still do nothing about.
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What is the purpose of living? How about, 'to reduce needless suffering. It seems to me to be a worthy purpose.
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