Einstein and Time: The \"reality\" of math (Humans)

by David Turell , Sunday, April 29, 2012, 16:24 (4590 days ago) @ dhw
edited by unknown, Sunday, April 29, 2012, 16:33

MATT: If God is part of the universe, then God IS the universe. If God is separate from the universe, then God is not part of the universe. These are the only two possible distinctions.
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> DAVID: I agree that God is the universe, as you interpret it.
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> I am struggling with the logic of this. With regard to Matt's statement, if God is part of the universe, then there must be parts of the universe that are not God. Therefore God is NOT the universe. With regard to David's statement, if God IS the universe as Matt interprets it, God could not have created the universe. I was always under the impression, David, that you thought God HAD created the universe.
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> There is a third possibility, however, which reconciles the two ideas and which I think is actually David's concept. If God exists, he IS the universe in the sense that he is the primal energy that has always existed and that consciously transforms itself into the matter which we call the universe. Atheists believe that the primal energy is not conscious, and that is the difference between theists and atheists.-I've produced the last post by dhw completely. I am not a logician with strict worry about every nuance. I don't care if Matt uses the word 'part'. dhw is correct in his paragraph as to my concept. And I have it at the end of the post he is commenting on:- "It fits my idea that the universe is really mind and consciousness. I don't believe that inorganic material can become alive and invent consciousness, unless consciousness already exists." That mind of course is God, who must be the first cause. It is nice that dhw has delved so deeply into my thinking that he must explain me to me! As I have always stated I know what I believe even if it doesn't sound logical to others. I'm with Alban in La Cage, 'I am what I am".
I do appreciate dhw's efforts, don't be mistaken about that, and perhaps he is interpreting me for others on the website. I am only a simple former physician following my nose in my own diagnostic way!