Einstein and Time: The \"reality\" of math (Humans)

by dhw, Sunday, April 29, 2012, 09:26 (4590 days ago) @ David Turell

MATT: If God is part of the universe, then God IS the universe. If God is separate from the universe, then God is not part of the universe. These are the only two possible distinctions.-DAVID: I agree that God is the universe, as you interpret it.-I am struggling with the logic of this. With regard to Matt's statement, if God is part of the universe, then there must be parts of the universe that are not God. Therefore God is NOT the universe. With regard to David's statement, if God IS the universe as Matt interprets it, God could not have created the universe. I was always under the impression, David, that you thought God HAD created the universe.-There is a third possibility, however, which reconciles the two ideas and which I think is actually David's concept. If God exists, he IS the universe in the sense that he is the primal energy that has always existed and that consciously transforms itself into the matter which we call the universe. Atheists believe that the primal energy is not conscious, and that is the difference between theists and atheists.