Whoa! Whoa! dhw take notice!!! (The limitations of science)
If evolution can't be modeled by computers why do I have 2 textbooks that xplain how to do exactly that? And if evolution isn't iterative, then why do we have generations? the only way your words are true is if generation 2 doesn't inherit from generation 1. Ball's in your court, David.
You are correct as far as you go. Any algorithm passes judgment om each stage as it is presented. But both dhw and I view the issue in biologic terms. You think each step is an active process, and that is right, but viewed in retrospect, each presentation to a filter is an active presentation, but viewed for the aspect of the filter, what is presented is actively chosen, but the filter has no control over what is presented, and therefore it is receiving its group to chose from in a passive manner. NS choses from whatever is presented and makes choices actively, but NS has no real control over evolution since it cannot initiate innovation, only approve of it of reject it. Random mutation of all sorts and epigenetics are the driving force. I've not read the book, but I assume that is the point of view of the authors.
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