ecosystem importance: dhw's 'humans plus food' derision (Introduction)

by David Turell , Sunday, January 15, 2023, 17:46 (467 days ago) @ dhw

DAVID: dhw has constantly complained about my theory that God had a purpose to produce humans and a proper food supply as a goal after starting life by evolving humans and a huge bush of life for human food. A reason is here:

https://www.sciencealert.com/skipping-meals-could-be-much-worse-for-you-than-we-realize...

QUOTE: "In the hustle and bustle of modern existence, it can be all too easy to skip a meal or two. You might even do it deliberately. A new study suggests going without one of the standard three meals a day might have a serious downside.”

DAVID: we don't know why God wanted to create us, but He knew what our food supply had to be adequate, so the huge bush of life had to be created with us. dhw is simply illogical.

dhw: This must be the silliest headline and distortion in the history of the AgnosticWeb. All organisms have to have food. What I constantly complain about is your theory that your God’s only purpose for starting life was to produce humans plus food but he then proceeded to design countless numbers of life forms, 99% OF WHICH DID NOT LEAD TO HUMANS PLUS FOOD BUT WERE, ACCORDING TO YOU, “DEAD ENDS”. “MISTAKES”, “WRONG CHOICES” AND “FAILED EXPERIMENTS”. According to you, the huge present bush which provides us with our food descended from the 1% of his past designs which were not dead ends, mistakes, wrong choices, and failed experiments. This excellent article tells us why we need three meals a day. It does not tell us that an all-powerful God had to design the brontosaurus plus millions and millions of extinct dead ends, mistakes, wrong choices and failed experiments in order to design us and our food. I am embarrassed for your sake to leave this for people to read. If you wish, I can use my editorial powers to delete your post and this response – but I’ll leave them if you want me to.

Your complaint about God using an evolutionary method is a complaint only God can answer because He chose to evolve humans, rather than using a direct creation. The problems you describe above are all true analyses of how messy evolution really is. God chose to use it. It was His problem child. Early in the life of this website, you raised the issue by asking why God evolved us instead of using direct creation. My response has always been it is God's choice for His own unrevealed reasons. You have used the messiness of evolution to obviously denigrate God by accusing me of doing it in my descriptions of God's actions, and as you write above. But look at the result He achieved, humans with our complex brain, the most complex creation in the universe. God knew what He was doing. Your human analysis of Him is wrong.

I use the human/food articles as a way to enter this subject of dispute. Slightly tortured I admit.

The post must remain. We are dear friends in a deep dispute that can reach a resolution by continuing our discussion at the level of both sides admitting evolution is messy, but God chose it.