Hawking ditches God (The atheist delusion)

by dhw, Monday, September 13, 2010, 10:15 (4967 days ago) @ BBella

HAWKING: ...The universe would be completely self-contained and not affected by anything outside itself. It would neither be created nor destroyed. It would just BE.-HAWKING: ...it had no beginning, no moment of Creation.-BBELLA (8 September at 07.33:) Who is quoting who? Stephen quoting me or I him? Of course these are all "ifs" but they were my ifs first.-BBELLA (12 September at 08.00): The universe is the product of creation. Creation being the verb as well as the noun.-Now you've really got me confused. Hawking has argued ... as you once did, if my memory is not playing tricks ... for a universe without a beginning, not needing a creator, but just "being", and I gave you the pat on the back you asked for and deserved. What happened during your family reunion to make you suddenly so "creative"? Perhaps I've misunderstood you, because I'm flummoxed by the verb/noun reference. (Creation is only a noun ... the verb is to create, but I don't understand what you were trying to say here.)-BBELLA: When I observe all that I am and all that IS, I am aware I have yet to fully understand or comprehend my own relationship to my material as well as conscious body, my whole self. [...] I assume therefore the intelligence of creation has yet to fully understand its own relationship to the possibilities within its own matter and the energy of the ALL as well.-You have drawn a striking parallel here between the microcosm (us) and the macrocosm (the universe), and if there is such a thing as God or a Universal Intelligence, this is very much the way I would see it too: going through a never-ending process of learning.