Hawking ditches God (The atheist delusion)

by BBella , Sunday, September 12, 2010, 08:00 (4969 days ago) @ dhw
edited by unknown, Sunday, September 12, 2010, 08:19

Sorry for the delay to reply, I had a slip of a vacation for a family reunion and just getting settled back in.-> One might argue that the universe IS the creator.-The universe is the product of creation. Creation being the verb as well as the noun. ->The question then would be whether it has awareness of itself and of what it is doing.-In answer to that, I go back to the wisdom of the old sufi saying (as before); Awareness (instead of the word God) sleeps in the rock, dreams in the plant, stirs in the animal and awakens in men. Awareness, just like everything else that IS, is a product of creation. I could just as well say, man sleeps in the rock, dreams in the plant, stirs in the animal, and awakens in humans. All that IS is a product of creation. So what is aware is aware, what is not, is not. But within ALL that IS resides the potential/possibilities of awareness.
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>Is it just a vast mass of matter and energy ... with life and consciousness emerging as the product of an astonishing series of accidents ...-I would say there is no such thing as accidents (as we think of accidents). Everything exists within the great soup of possibility within creation, so I wouldn't call anything an "accident" unless I choose to see it as an accident. There are many ways to choose to see any one thing. New possibilities of ways of looking at anything are always available. ->BBella, you are our prophetess. Perhaps you can remind us of your theory of intelligence and its relationship to matter and energy.-If I am a prophetess then we are all prophets and prophetesses; or even better, lets call ourselves Gods, as the scripture said, are ye not all Gods? -Regardless of what we choose to call ourselves (or others), we are all reporters of what we observe by our own methods of choice. My method, no different than many, is an open mind to whatever I observe within and outside me. I keep in mind that either way, nothing I observe is set in stone (not even stone). Everything in creation changes in every moment except for change itself. Change is the one and only constant. The one and only thing I know for a fact is I AM. I am aware and I am conscious. The rest I assume. -I assume I am a product made up from the soup of possibilities of creation, the all that IS. Like a drop from an ocean, I AM a drop of creation, a mirror or reflection of the whole of creation. When I observe all that I am and all that IS, I am aware I have yet to fully understand or comprehend my own relationship to my material as well as conscious self, my whole self. Or, my relationship with what is outside me, and the possibilities that reside in both. I assume therefore the intelligence of creation has yet to fully comprehend its own relationship to the possibilities within its own matter/body and energy/conscious of the ALL that IS.-bb