Dawkins dissed again and again (Introduction)

by David Turell , Saturday, April 02, 2022, 16:23 (756 days ago) @ David Turell

Once again:

https://ecoevocommunity.nature.com/posts/more-obsolete-dawkinsian-evidence-for-evolution

"The protein molecules that form the structure of the TTSS are very similar to components of the flagellar motor. To the evolutionist it is clear that TTSS components were commandeered for a new, but not wholly unrelated, function when the flagellar motor evolved…Evidently, crucial components of the flagellar motor were already in place and working before the flagellar motor evolved.

"Thus, Dawkins viewed the injectisome as an evolutionary precursor for the flagellar motor.

"In the Cell paper published just a few day ago, a group of Chinese researchers published an atomic-level structure of the bacterial flagellar motor and compared it to the injectisome. These structures are shown in the figure below (kindly provided by Yonqun Zhu).

"Although the flagellum has been proposed to be the evolutionary ancestor of T3SSs, the structure of the flagellar motor is significantly different from that of the T3SS basal body.... the flagellar rod has few contacts with the LP ring to facilitate its high-speed rotation and torque transmission. In addition, unlike the C24-symmetric inner membrane ring assembled by PrgH and PrgK in the Salmonella T3SS, the MS ring of the flagellar motor is composed of 34 FliF subunits with mixed internal symmetries. Therefore, the flagellar motor has evolved special structural elements for bacterial motility.

"In other words, even parts of the two structures that seem to correspond to each other are very different. Thus, parts of the injectisome could not simply be “commandeered” for the flagellar motor.

"You may notice another implicit contradiction of Dawkins’ scenario in the quotation above. The only ancestor-descendent scenario that the authors of the Cell paper consider to be worth mentioning is one where the injectisome is descended from the flagellum. Not the other way round.

"This is because there is existing evidence that the injectisomes found in present day bacteria are more recent in their origin than flagellar motors are. This evidence is summarised by a 2015 paper in Philosophical Transactions of the Royal Society B. For example, flagellar motors have a far wider phylogenetic distribution than injectisomes, and tend to be encoded within the main bacterial chromosomes, whereas injectisomes tend to be on horizontally transferred DNA segments. More phylogenetic evidence for the flagella first can be found in this PLoS Genetics paper.

"Therefore, Richard Dawkins’ scenario for the evolution of the flagella motor has not stood the test of time. Despite its obvious attractions, this scenario is no longer suitable for use by science educators and communicators.

"So what should we say if someone asks us what evolutionary biology has to say about the origin of the flagellar motor? The good news is that a large new project has just been funded at Imperial College London to investigate the origins of the flagellum. But for now, the most accurate answer to give is to be found in the press release for that project: “For evolutionary biologists, the flagellum is an enduring mystery.'” (my bold)

Comment: any complex biological mechanism will remain a mystery as long as obvious design is ignored as Dawkins did.