More "miscellany" (General)

by David Turell @, Monday, November 08, 2021, 14:41 (19 days ago) @ dhw

Cosmologic philosophy: dhw said once universe too big
DAVID: You don't recognize God's right to chose His method.

dhw: Of course I do (if he exists). What I can’t recognize is one grain of logic in the choice of purpose and method which you keep trying to impose on your God!

History shows what God did. Evolution occurred and God did it. I've imposed nothing but claim it is God's work. Your objections are about God, not my acceptance of His works.


David v Dawkins
DAVID: I don't ridicule, by making my choices of reasonable theories.

dhw: Under “Dopamine” you wrote: “I don’t care what Dawkins thinks. He is only worth ignoring.” I agree that this is not exactly ridicule. I’d better add to my list of unscientific approaches: “Not caring what other scientists think”.

DAVID: What do these statements out of context prove? I anticipate new findings and will adjust my theories as necessary.

dhw: This exchange began when I pointed out that your rigid faith in your belief that all changes were automatic (“but agree not absolutely proven as yet”) was as unscientific as Dawkins’ faith/hope that one day his faith in “the natural” would also be proven. My point is that such hope/faith is unscientific, although you both like to think of yourselves as scientists.

Both Dawkins and I might hope for findings that support our theories, but I know I'll change if required by new findings, and assume Dawkins will also,


New Ediacaran fossils
dhw: My point was that new fossils are being found all the time. There is nothing definitive yet, and ironically you even agreed with Dawkins that “new science findings are anticipated to clarify theory.” But you have simply closed the book when it comes to the Cambrian!

DAVID: When the precursors appear I'll adapt to a new theory. I view your faint hope for dramatic fossils as a closed book also.

dhw: There can never be a full record of precursors, just as there can never be proof that your God even exists – unless he introduces himself to us during or after our lives on Earth. That is why ALL these questions remain open to discussion, and I have not closed ANY books.

Thank you.


Strange changes in DNA form

DAVID: the appearance of New World monkeys is estimated at 35-70 million years ago. Gaps are everywhere.

dhw: […] millions, hundreds of millions, thousands of millions of years – and yet you expect fossils of every form that ever existed!

DAVID: Nice gloss, yourself. Gaps are everywhere and you wish them away. Only disappeared gaps will help you.

dhw: I don’t need help and I don’t wish for anything, because I do not have any fixed beliefs. I push alternatives to your rigid beliefs because I find them either unlikely or totally illogical. This applies to your illogical, anthropocentric theory of evolution, your confusion over our descent from bacteria and from species without precursors (Cambrian), your all-powerful God who can’t control or even correct errors in his design, and also to your rejection of logical alternatives solely on the grounds that they contradict your rigid beliefs!

The confusion about our descent from bacteria is your distortions of my thoughts presented here. Your amorphous thoughts about God introduce a very humanized form who then makes very human-like decisions. You have every right to present God that way, but since we each have our own image of God, we will debate


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