More "miscellany" (General)

by dhw, Tuesday, October 26, 2021, 14:16 (32 days ago) @ David Turell

DAVID: The problem is you skip the obvious. God's created history tells us exactly what He did. You object to God doing it that way!!!

dhw: The problem is you skip the obvious, which is that history presents us with a vast bush of extinct life forms and foods, the majority of which had no connection with humans, although you insist that your God’s only goal was to design humans plus food. But you refuse to recognize that this theory makes no sense.

DAVID: It is the red plus food that is a giant point you have to diminish to make your illogical objection. The giant bush of life is the food necessary out the of necessity to fuel life.

The repetition seems to be endless. ALL forms of life need food. That does not mean that ALL extinct forms of life and food – the majority of which had no connection with humans – were part of the goal of producing humans and their food.

Cosmologic philosophy: dhw said once universe too big
DAVID: I have every right to dismiss your humanized form of God. He is yours alone.

dhw: But you find each of my theistic explanations logical, and you keep agreeing that your God may have human attributes…

DAVID: You constantly ignore my qualifier because you have to, as it negates your distorted use of my agreement. Your theories are illogical [dhw: you mean logical] only if I accept your heavily humanized God.

Not ignored but dealt with over and over again. You don't have to accept any of my alternative versions, but none of them are any more "humanized" than your own: a God with good intentions who is mysteriously compelled to design a system containing errors that cause untold suffering, and who tries - often in vain - to correct the errors. And for good measure, he also specially designs bad bacteria and viruses, but one day we shall know his intentions were good with them as well. And yet you claim that your God is all-powerful.

DAVID: […] as a human you don't see the point of a giant universe doesn't mean it is wrong of God to create it.

I have not said it is wrong of your God to create it, and this was my answer:
dhw: And you cannot find a single reason why he would create an infinite number of exploding stars and a vast number of life forms in order to produce one solar system and one species (plus its food). Please stop pretending that an attack on your illogical theory is an attack on your God (if he exists).[…]

DAVID: Again a total misunderstanding of how to think about God. God does exactly what He wants for His own reasons. Since the giant universe exists with aspects we do not understand it does not mean they weren't part of creating humans.

You keep insisting that humans were his only purpose, and if I ask you why he would create all those things that seem to have no connection, instead of trying to find reasons, you pretend that I am attacking God! I am attacking your theories, not your God!

DAVID: We live in a God-created reality and try to understand why He did it the way He did. We explore scientifically, not question it.

If you believe in God, it is perfectly reasonable to try to understand. I do not question the existence of the billions of galaxies etc, any more than I question the existence of all the life forms that had no connection with humans. But for the life of me, I cannot see how you can claim that there is anything remotely scientific about your constant insistence that I must accept your illogical theories of evolution and theodicy, and if I don’t, I’m saying your God got it wrong! I am suggesting that YOU have got it wrong!


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