Reality (General)

by David Turell , Tuesday, November 19, 2019, 14:14 (1830 days ago) @ dhw

DAVID: My continuing disagreement with part of your approach is that the incomprehensible particle behavior somehow does create our reality. We may not understand it, but we should recognize the relationship.

dhw: I’m very happy that at least we have agreed to reject the idea that quantum reality is MORE real than our everyday reality. That was my dispute with Kastner. I’m on much shakier ground with your own proposition. Perhaps I should accept it, but I am more inclined to think in terms of our reality existing in spite of incomprehensible particle behaviour rather than because of it! The subjectivity of our perception may lie at the heart of the mystery, but like everyone else I am at a loss in the quest for the missing link. Happy to shake hands, though, on this issue.

DAVID: I always try to educate. The weirdness of the actual experiments on the quantum particles cannot be denied, when it understood their final combinations in real objects are so different, as your bus.

dhw: I have never denied the weirdness of the experiments, and I keep agreeing that the behaviour of the final combinations is totally different from that of the individuals. I disagree with Kastner that the behaviour of the latter is more real than that of the former. You appear to have accepted this. I remain uncertain as to whether the behaviour of the latter creates the behaviour of the former, but you may be right. You do not ALWAYS try to educate. On controversial subjects such as the existence of God or your extraordinary theory of evolution, you try to persuade others that you are right and they are wrong! In such discussions you cannot be called the teacher, although – just like those whose equally subjective views are the exact opposite of your own – you would like to think you are!

I agree that my subjective views are my own interpretation the the scientific facts I teach. I would add that the quantum level of reality and our level of reality are both equally real and I think Kastner probably viewed it that way.