Balance of nature: bees need meat (Introduction)

by David Turell , Monday, August 26, 2019, 15:37 (1699 days ago) @ dhw

DAVID: You keep ignoring the fact that God has the right to choose his method. I don't know why He did.

Of course he had the right, but why do you assume he chose your illogical method when the historical facts can be explained by a number of different, perfectly logical methods, as you have agreed over and over again? The only objection left to you now is that since you have a fixed belief that your always-in-control God illogically chose not to fulfil his only purpose for 3.X billion years and therefore had to design the rest of the evolutionary bush, we can only conclude that his logic is different from ours! How about considering the possibility that his logic is not different from ours, and therefore your own personal, totally illogical interpretation of evolution might be wrong?

DAVID: You are an agnostic who does not accept God, but is not sure about whether He might exist or what He does or is capable of doing. We are on different sides of the chasm. Agnosticism is not illogical, but a state of a mind's thoughts and decisions, in a framework of its own decisions.

dhw:This discussion, as you well know, has nothing whatsoever to do with my agnosticism. An agnostic is just as free to speculate on a possible God’s motives and methods as a theist, and you have yet to quote a single theist who supports your combination of fixed beliefs as summarized above. (See also “Unanswered questions”.)

DAVID: I have said the ID folks feel He ran evolution.

So this discussion has nothing to do with my agnosticism. Thank you. Now do please tell us which of the ID folks or indeed any other folks support your fixed belief that your God’s sole purpose was to design H. sapiens, but he decided to wait 3.X billion years and therefore had to design all the life forms extant and extinct of the evolutionary bush so that they could “cover the time” by eating or being eaten by one another. (See also “Unanswered questions”.)

For the umpteenth time, ID folks support the theory that God has designed all the irreducibly complex machines in living biochemistry. This means God ran evolution and created those designs. For me that translates to my theory about God and evolution. 'Covering time' is a nonsense notion since that is the time evolution took to reach the level of humans. And another nonsense idea is 'eating each other' as if it was not an absolute requirement in the process. A perfectly reasonable theory is God chose to evolve all of the bush of life ending with humans, whom I think are the endpoint.