Balance of nature: bees need meat (Introduction)

by David Turell , Sunday, August 25, 2019, 14:47 (1917 days ago) @ dhw

dhw: Of course all the econiches are complex and intricate and delicately balanced, and for billions of years they have appeared and disappeared, and they are still doing so even in our own day. According to you, it is not “evolution” that had to develop anything. According to you, your God designed every single econiche extant and extinct, and every one in the whole history of this huge diverse bush had the sole purpose of getting life forms to eat or be eaten by one another in order to “cover” the 3.X billion years your God had decided to spend before designing the only thing he wanted to design. This is why I complain that in our discussions you never COMBINE the different part of your theory, and it is the COMBINATION that defies all logic.

DAVID: Of course it defies all of your logic.

dhw: But you cannot explain why your God chose the method you impose on him in order to achieve the purpose you impose on him! Your one wiggle out of the problem is to tell us that God’s logic is different from human logic!

You keep ignoring the fact that God has the right to choose his method. I don't know why He did.

DAVID: You are an agnostic who does not accept God, but is not sure about whether He might exist or what He does or is capable of doing. We are on different sides of the chasm. Agnosticism is not illogical, but a state of a mind's thoughts and decisions, in a framework of its own decisions.

This discussion, as you well know, has nothing whatsoever to do with my agnosticism. An agnostic is just as free to speculate on a possible God’s motives and methods as a theist, and you have yet to quote a single theist who supports your combination of fixed beliefs as summarized above. (See also “Unanswered questions”.)

I have said the ID folks feel He ran evolution.