cellular intelligence; information controls (Evolution)

by dhw, Friday, May 31, 2019, 10:00 (2002 days ago) @ David Turell

DAVID: All I have agreed to is all current scientists know is cellular responses to stimuli can be interpreted as intelligent results. No one knows how that is achieved.

dhw: Indeed, just as no one knows how speciation is achieved. You have not responded to the point that innovations require restructuring of cell communities, whether God did it or not. And so we are left with the fact that you disagree with those scientists who believe cells are intelligent, and you categorically reject as a pipe dream the hypothesis that this (perhaps God-given) intelligence might possibly extend to innovation.

DAVID: No need to respond: It is obvious that groups of cells are modified in speciation. and yes, pipe dream.

You wrote that “cells have the ability to reconfigure chemical reactions to immediate stimuli, but the cells themselves are not changed.” The cell communities ARE changed. See the whale thread for your dismissal of Shapiro’s theory as a pipe dream.

Under “biological complexity”: "'Shortly after cells invented how to make proteins, they were also faced with determining how to deal with incompletely made proteins," Joazeiro says. "The analyses suggest that an Rqc2 homolog in the last universal common ancestor already carried out this task.'" (DAVID’s bold)

DAVID: The story implies the automaticity of cells while manufacturing, which is constant. Also the final bolded comment is what I always point out: when the first cell is originated (designed), these defense mechanism against mistakes have to also be created at the same time or life would not survive. Step-by-step evolution is impossible.

“Cells invented” apparently = automaticity, and “shortly after” = at the same time.