Divine purposes and methods (Evolution)

by dhw, Sunday, January 13, 2019, 14:43 (7 days ago) @ David Turell

DAVID: My reasoning is from facts.
DAVID: I read God’s mind logically.

DAVID: Why should I question my belief God exists? That is your problem, not mine.

dhw: I’m not asking you to question it. I’m simply pointing out that the existence of God – let alone your personal reading of his mind - is not a fact.

DAVID: Exactly the point. I am looking at God through logically established faith, and you aren't'.

I accept the logic (the design argument) behind your faith in a God. But this is simply one of a list of beliefs which you try to present as facts, as below:

DAVID: I didn't impose a method on Him. He chose to evolve humans over time. That is the history. I accept it.

dhw: You “accept” your own non-factual assumption that his goal from the beginning was us, that he was in total control, that his chosen method of specially designing humans was to take 3.5+ billion years specially designing all those other life forms so that they could eat one another, and you also “accept” that you cannot understand why he would choose the method you have read into his mind. And yet you regard this as a logical reading!

DAVID: Human are here, but they are not His current goal? What fact are you looking for?

Firstly, you keep maintaining that humans were his goal from the very beginning (not just his “current” goal). The duckbilled platypus is also here. Does that mean it’s also his current goal? Secondly, you don’t know why he chose to spend 3.5+ billion years specially designing other unrelated life forms extant and extinct, but…

DAVID:The balance of nature food supply is obvious. It is His chosen method not mine. Why should I question it? I'm simply interpreting the facts that exist. I'm sorry for your confusion. Accept 'Dayenu'. He did it, and it is enough. […] It is not incomprehensible to me. […] I'm not supposed to know why He chose the method He did. Since He chose to evolve us over time, my interpretation fits the facts in history.

It is obvious that all forms of life need food, and by your admission that has nothing to do with the one and only goal of designing H. sapiens. The only facts at your disposal are that life’s history has produced millions of different life forms, and humans are the latest of these. “Since he chose to evolve us over time” = his chosen method of fulfilling his sole purpose of specially designing us was to specially design 3.5+ billion years’ worth of food….This illogical hypothesis is not a fact, but your fixed belief. If it’s not incomprehensible to you, why can’t you explain it, and why should I accept it when there are several different, alternative hypotheses which even you accept as being logical?

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