Immunity: detecting dangerous bacteria (Introduction)

by David Turell , Wednesday, November 29, 2017, 19:59 (2552 days ago) @ dhw

dhw: Once again: it is consciousness/the soul that creates immaterial thoughts and concepts, and consciousness is not visible!

By using the receiver brain which is visible.

dhw: Therefore it is a non sequitur to say that if you can’t see the brain of a bacterium, the bacterium can’t be conscious.

But the brain is visable and used by the soul/consciousness to create thought through its resident consciousness.

DAVID: We have covered all of this before. From the outside no one can determine whether the cell responds automatically under intelligent instructions or is actually intelligent. Believing in God as I do, I am on the side of intelligent instructions.

dhw: If one can’t tell the difference, then one should acknowledge that both versions are possible. It has nothing whatsoever to do with belief in God. It is just as possible that your God created an autonomous intelligence as it is that 3.8 billion years ago he created programmes for every single action of every single cell for the rest of time, barring his dabbles.

You forget that I believe in God and have the right to make a choice of interpretation. Both are possible. One is true.

DAVID: As part of my body my kidneys act intelligently. Why can't bacteria be seen that way?

dhw: Here you have missed the point of the McClintock quote above. And you yourself wrote that immune cells learn by experience and change themselves to fit their discoveries. That is a hallmark of autonomous intelligence.

DAVID: Not missed at all. Immune cells can be programmed to respond in the way they do in my body, just like kidney cells.

dhw: At least “can be” is an improvement on “are”. And since when was learning by experience an automatic process?

Shown in the cells of the immune system of a baby !