REVISE THIS:Two sides of the irreducible complexity argument (Introduction)

by xeno6696 , Sonoran Desert, Wednesday, September 23, 2009, 21:29 (5336 days ago) @ David Turell

I will have to look harder to find you valid criticisms about Behe, he appears to be a bit more active (and more hated) than Dembski, probably because biological arguments are not nearly so easy to refute. I can tell you that he shares a strong affiliation with the DI and to me that is enough to poison the water. 
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> > Remember: I'm here not because I'm an atheist, I'm here because I'm looking for other searchers, "design" as it were is not invalid.
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> I have talked personally with Behe at a conference I attended were I sold some of my books, in Florida about 2 years ago. I promise you he does not have horns and is quite reasonable. I believe both he and Ken Miller are active Catholics. By the way David Berlinski, the Jewish atheist is a Fellow at Discovery I. There are all kinds of folks there,I guess, as long as they are anti-Darwin. It is an interesting group. Michael Medved, the conservative talk show guy, very religious Jew, historian and movie critic is also a Fellow.-From wikipedia: In responding to Berlinski's arguments, marine biologist Wesley R. Elsberry comments: "I personally like my 'at onces' to refer to events significantly shorter than ten million years."[10]-At core here, is a claim that 10million years isn't long enough for these creatures to appear in the fossil record. -How can you say that if you don't know,-1. The background mutation rate. (Conjectures don't count.) 
2. The nature of the changing environmental conditions
3. The nature of predation
4. A genetic snapshot of every intermediate generation
5. Knowing something about the life cycle and duration of the organism(s) in question.-We can make conjectures about some of these based on what we know now, but the conditions for life now vs. during the Cambrian are completely different, therefore the conjectures are exactly that. -And how can epigenetics explain it better than rapidly changing environmental conditions, considering the gaps in what we know about the Cambrian? It does seem to me that the traditional theory suffices. -And how does epigenetics make a creator more likely?

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